Two new MODs from me

[apoger]

>I'd like to see archmages running around with at least four in every path so that they can actually have truly major effects.

As would I.
I have always complained that the mage pretenders are weak.
This is on my list of things to mod.


>There's no way that points spent on a pretender can compete with that kind of economy.

That's an ignorant statement. Plenty of players with magic pretenders in Dom1 which had even more gold available than my mod, BTW.

Try the mod before making such blanket statements.

>Except of course, that they aren't hard choices, because there is no way for a rainbow mage to be worth the points you spent on him.

They aren't worthwhile now. But that's another fight.


>It doesn't though, it's really quite easy to keep yourself warm with a bit of basic knowledge and furs. Heck, ancient humans lived in Northern China long before they were likely to have fire.

Sure, many people settled in places with bad climates. However they spent their time surviving. Certainly more time surviving and less time producing taxable income than those living in more temperate lands.


>Ever heard of Egypt

The nile valley was hardly a harsh place.


This is a stupid argument and I'm not playing anymore. If you really want to believe that people are equally adept in all temperatures, you go right ahead. Don't like my mod? Fine. Don't use it. Nobody is twisting your arm. Play the game the way you want.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Bump the costs of scales from 40 to 100 points, and these changes should be OK.

[apoger]

>However I think %20 gold modifier per different scale is too much and its the one feature I noticed that really worried me in terms of how it will impact on the game. It is a huge change and will have many potential balence consequences and may prove disastrous for races starting to far from the norm.


Keep in mind that those races gain a hefty supply of nation points for those scales. I play the extreme races all the time. I have no pity for them, as they have been totally advantaged by the current scales (IMO).

Also it's not like the temperature is permenent, once they own a area they should enforce their scales there. There is only a loss of gold when owning territory inside enemy dominion that has different scale than you. I don't see this as a major issue, as this is a situation that resolves itself one way or another.


>I thought the current heat cold modifier was 5% not the 10% people seem to have been talking about

It was 10% in Dom1 and is now 5%.
In many ways the scales were halved between the Versions.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by apoger:
As would I.
I have always complained that the mage pretenders are weak.
This is on my list of things to mod.

You don't make pretenders stronger by making it relatively several times more expensive to give them magic skills.

That's an ignorant statement. Plenty of players with magic pretenders in Dom1 which had even more gold available than my mod, BTW.

Dom1 required you to patrol for that gold, and an empire was capable of getting that much even with a turmoil 3 dominion. Now you've effectively told Pangaea that they shouldn't bother using their standard theme, and should be happy with a net income of around 50 gold per turn to start with. You also didn't have +90% resources for productivity 3 in addition to the large bonus to gold.

From the number of people who advised choosing a wyrm with no magic, over any other pretender, I'd also have to disagree with you on that. Most of the winners in the detailed Jblitz reports also spent next to nothing on their pretenders, and relied almost totally on their economies to win.

I would think that a better amount of gold for the order scale would be 2% to 4% per tick, more than what the other scales can provide, but not so much as to make it more valuable than adding magic skill to your pretender.

The nile valley was hardly a harsh place.

It certainly counts as a hot place though, doesn't it.

This is a stupid argument and I'm not playing anymore. If you really want to believe that people are equally adept in all temperatures, you go right ahead. Don't like my mod? Fine. Don't use it. Nobody is twisting your arm. Play the game the way you want.

While the temperature has its effect, it is nowhere near as large as you want to make it. You've presented your scales as superior to the existing ones (labelling them as balanced), so you should expect your arguments to be challenged.

I'd also really like to see you competitively play a dual 9 bless effect race with both sloth and death at 3, if taking those scales doesn't matter that much.

[ January 15, 2004, 02:43: Message edited by: Graeme Dice ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by apoger:
Also it's not like the temperature is permenent, once they own a area they should enforce their scales there. There is only a loss of gold when owning territory inside enemy dominion that has different scale than you.

And of supplies of course. How do you expect Abysia to invade Caelum, or vice versa under this system?

[apoger]

>Now you've effectively told Pangaea that they shouldn't bother using their standard theme

Last time I'm telling you, play before speaking.

In fact Pangaea will do *much better* under my mod than the standard because of the improved luck. I did playtest.


>From the number of people who advised choosing a wyrm with no magic, over any other pretender, I'd also have to disagree with you on that.


That's a Dom1 recommendation. I haven't advocated the Wyrm for players anytime recently.

At least criticize me on a current topic.


>Most of the winners in the detailed Jblitz reports also spent next to nothing on their pretenders, and relied almost totally on their economies to win.


JTblitz was on a freaky small map where flyers could go from capital to capital. You have to consider the scenario. It was hardly representative of most Dominions play.


>I would think that a better amount of gold for the order scale would be 2% to 4% per tick, more than what the other scales can provide, but not so much as to make it more valuable than adding magic skill to your pretender.


No problem. DON'T PLAY MY MOD. PLAY WHAT YOU ENJOY.


>You've presented your scales as superior to the existing ones (labelling them as balanced),


Taken directly from the readme:

"Please keep in mind that this mod is just my interpretation of how things should be. If you disagree and want to ignore it, by all means go back to the standard game. It's your game, play the way you want."

You're reading more into things than are there. Chill, and enjoy the game.

[apoger]

>How do you expect Abysia to invade Caelum, or vice versa under this system?

With difficulty. That's the way I want it. They got 120 free nation points, let them work at fighting their opposites.