Rise of the Machines suggestion

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by PDF:
And J.O., you know what's funny ? Back in MoM days one of the worst abuse was to have flying invisible warships to wreck havoc on the whole map !!

Ah, invisible flying warships, how I miss thee. Especially invisible, flying, spell-locked warships. Dispel that! It was fun starting out with flying warships, then upgrading them to invisible, flying, spell-locked, hasted warships.

It was almost as bad as the endless free elementals for a 13(?)-book mage. Especially free air elementals with your invisible flying warships. Just start spawning out the endless hordes of elementals, phantom warriors, and phantom beasts ad-infinitum once you found a random book that made them free. You could even get to the point where you had a graphical glitch of them appearing in the wrong place with the wrong graphic if you did it enough.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Taqwus:
...until Pythium or other astrally powerful nation teleports in some prepared Magic Duelers before you can take advantage of the 10 movement points that turn.

Thanks for the reminder of something I'd been overlooking: that Teleport (etc.) happen at the top of the turn before movement takes place.

Given how many powerful Starspawn mages I have (which have been doing nothing but research and item construction thus far -- turn 50 on the Orania map), that should simplify my task of chasing down the Pangean and Man units that have been annoying me of late whilst I'm distracted due to simultaneously taking out C'tis, Caelum, and Mictlan. heh Fortunately, Pan is on its Last gasp, unable to replace its losses, as Jot has been steadily munching on them while they've been busy irritating me. Now Jot has almost surrounded the Pan fort. Less work for me. And Man has decided that it's easier to chew on C'tis than on me. Life is good.

[velk]

Originally posted by Taqwus:
...until Pythium or other astrally powerful nation teleports in some prepared Magic Duelers before you can take advantage of the 10 movement points that turn.

Everything dies to something.

Hmm, unless you were teleporting your army with them, those would have to be some pretty tough mages to avoid dying in 1 round to a vastness ( what are they, 40 AP flying lifedrain mindbLast ? )

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by velk:
Hmm, unless you were teleporting your army with them, those would have to be some pretty tough mages to avoid dying in 1 round to a vastness ( what are they, 40 AP flying lifedrain mindbLast ? )

The problem is that they won't close in and use their lifedrain in the first round if you give them fire orders, and they won't use their mindbLast if you tell them to attack. Does blood vengeance protect against instant kills like soul slay?

[mivayan]

Hmm, unless you were teleporting your army with them, those would have to be some pretty tough mages to avoid dying in 1 round to a vastness ( what are they, 40 AP flying lifedrain mindbLast ? )

Maybe there are two of them?

I mean, I dont think the vastness have a lot of attacks, so you will probably not lose more than one mage each round.

[Arryn]

Originally posted by mivayan:
I mean, I dont think the vastness have a lot of attacks, so you will probably not lose more than one mage each round.

A Vastness has 3 mind bLasts per turn, plus the strength steal. So it can incapacitate up to 30 enemies. Which is highly unlikely unless they are weak, and the battle would be over before it could finish off that many anyway. Of course, most fodder run away long before the Vastness can incap that many.

My best one is now up to Awe +6 as its heroic ability. Takes some serious enemies to even want to engage it ...

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Does blood vengeance protect against instant kills like soul slay?

You mean will the magic effect kick in even after the Vastness has died? Or if the Vastness survives, and thus takes no "damage", per se? Good questions! Can someone from IW answer this?