Unit Spreadsheet

[onomastikon]

Thanks Arryn, and of course Sunray too -- I will try to do what you said but I will wait 24 hours as sunray suggested.

[MythicalMino]

sunray...is there any chance that they will be all combined into one file, like someone did with the dom1 unit database????

hoping it will happen....

especially with Mercs and Independents stats....

Chris

[Uh-Nu-Buh]

Brief segue,not quite on topic, not quite off.... I am not sure I agree with the analysis you did tween HI and JH. Four points to make on this subject.

First, I have found that 30 HI will surround 10 JH and do extra dge that circumvents def and prot. If surrounded, JH take dge fast--and tend to route. Next point--JH take dge, route, and live to fight another day, but with *perm dge* done. All of them have less morale. A few of them have permanent problems (limp, lost eye, lost st, etc.). Third, the next time you go into battle with them--they route even faster. Final point--although they have taken dge, they still cost 3X that new HI, the one that died in combat, in supplies. And mid to late game supplies matter, especially for Jotunn.

HI, on the other hand, tend to die just as often as get permanently damaged. Which means they may cost more in gold and resources, but less in defeats, routes, and supplies--all of which matter.

[Arryn]

As I said in my earlier post, avoid engaging more than 3x. As for 3x, it's relatively easy to not get surrounded. Careful pre-battle formation, and battle orders helps.

By the way, sure, some of the units will take afflictions. That's natural in combat. I never said that the same group of giants could go through 3x combat after 3x combat indefinately. What I said was that there would be very little chance of losses -- in the one combat. As the units go through consecutive battles, there will be some attrition. But you'll be building replacements (even expensive Jotuns) far faster than you'll be taking losses.

If you'd compare apples to apples, you'd see that a second battle with with now-injured giants is still skewed in favor of the giants ... if you match them up against a fair opponent (such as the wounded or depleted remains of a 3x human force that just routed from another battle).

What you need to do is make sure that the giant force is not outmatched by more than 3x in their current state. Takes a while to get a feel for this. Or cast Gift of Health and the problem becomes moot.


Cheers!

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by Uh-Nu-Buh:
Brief segue,not quite on topic, not quite off.... I am not sure I agree with the analysis you did tween HI and JH. Four points to make on this subject.

There are some differences between the simulator and the game - primarily wounding and spacing. Neither are simulated yet. So, it may not be as rosy for the Jotuns at the simulator makes it seem... wounding does get to be a big issue. Spacing should not be very important in this instance, though.

Still, I'd be surprised if 1 or 10 fanatacised JH's lost to 4 or 40 fanaticised HI.

Originally posted by cpbeller:
sunray...is there any chance that they will be all combined into one file, like someone did with the dom1 unit database????
hoping it will happen....
especially with Mercs and Independents stats....

I've now posted all nations, including the latest new themes from the patch, only Ermor is missing for now. And yes I'll try to combine all nations into one (huge) xls sheet. I dunno what to do with the pretenders list of each nation. Maybe a separate file. Any suggestion ?
I'm also working on a 'creature' file, but nothing on the indies for the moment (did they changed BTW ? I still use the dom1 list).

TIA

[General Tacticus]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:
There are some differences between the simulator and the game - primarily wounding and spacing. Neither are simulated yet. So, it may not be as rosy for the Jotuns at the simulator makes it seem... wounding does get to be a big issue. Spacing should not be very important in this instance, though.

Still, I'd be surprised if 1 or 10 fanatacised JH's lost to 4 or 40 fanaticised HI.

Question : does your simulator puts 4 HI against one giant at the same time, or one after the other ?

More importantly, the HI is probably backed by crossbows How would the giant fare against 2 HI and 2 crossbows at the same time ?

[MythicalMino]

honestly, sunray, i don't know about the independents stats, as to whether or not they changed. I like the Pretenders stuff too....hell, i like all of it.

I would like to see EVERYTHING in one huge file, divided up by pages or whatever it is. All of it together makes it easier for me it seems to look at and "study". Only problem, I am not good at doing that kind of stuff....how do you guys go through and find all the stats for each and every unit???

Chris

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by cpbeller:
I would like to see EVERYTHING in one huge file, divided up by pages or whatever it is. All of it together makes it easier for me it seems to look at and "study". Only problem, I am not good at doing that kind of stuff....how do you guys go through and find all the stats for each and every unit???

Creating a view game isnt hard using the commands for the .map files. If you have any kindof programming language, even a free basic, you can do it. Might even be able to do it in something like Word (isnt that semi-scriptable?)
for x = 1 to 1010
print "#commander "+x
next x

That does OK for me to find 1 unit for something. Special pretender not usually offered, a unit I want to snag the image of for a mod, looking at heroes or summons, compare stats.

Do the lists flag each unit for land or water, troop or commander? Thats where a list would be handy for me. Now that #terrain is part of the maps I would like to make the random generators smarter. Not put drowning units in the water and water-breathers on land.

[ January 21, 2004, 13:09: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Saber Cherry]

Originally posted by General Tacticus:
Question : does your simulator puts 4 HI against one giant at the same time, or one after the other ?

More importantly, the HI is probably backed by crossbows How would the giant fare against 2 HI and 2 crossbows at the same time ?

1) It's all simultaneous, and everything is considered in striking range of everything else. So the Jotun kills 4 HI easily while all 4 strike him each round.

2) Ranged weapons are not modeled But they aren't really better against Jotuns than indy HI.