Very short question on Communion Master and the slave matrix

atul · #1 February 1st, 2004, 12:16 PM

During Dom1 times I once had some fun using communition in somewhat 'reverse' way. A horde of Marignon's initiates (fire1) with slave matrixes and one Grand Master (random in water) with master matrix.

GM had orders to cast quickness - phoenix power - (that astral spell that boosts all paths one up, forget the name), and what do you know, every one of those weeny initiates was hasted and hurling fireballs and -clouds by third turn. Don't know how feasible it is to use communion like that, but it was fun to watch anyway.

Chris Byler · #2 February 1st, 2004, 01:09 PM

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why sacred?

lower upkeep & ability to get bless effects
Well I mean besides that. Those are the benefits for sacred troops no matter what. I mean: why do sacred troops make good communion slaves?

Because of their lower upkeep. If you have an earth blessing it's even better, but the primary requisite of a communion slave is cheapness, because the more slaves the better. (Always have more slaves than masters or they WILL get drained to death.) Other abilities of the slave are largely irrelevant because they spend most of the battle unconscious.

onomastikon · #3 February 1st, 2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Byler:

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Originally posted by onomastikon:

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Originally posted by HJ:

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Originally posted by onomastikon:
why sacred?

lower upkeep & ability to get bless effects
Well I mean besides that. Those are the benefits for sacred troops no matter what. I mean: why do sacred troops make good communion slaves?
Because of their lower upkeep. If you have an earth blessing it's even better, but the primary requisite of a communion slave is cheapness, because the more slaves the better. (Always have more slaves than masters or they WILL get drained to death.) Other abilities of the slave are largely irrelevant because they spend most of the battle unconscious.

Right thanks.

onomastikon · #4 February 1st, 2004, 07:21 PM

Um Last question:

does the �xtra Fatigue which comes from Armor also get split up among the Slaves or is it only for the caster?

thank you

Psitticine · #5 February 1st, 2004, 11:53 PM

The base cost is divided up equally and then dealt with seperately by each member of the circle. Modifications for skill level (including the master's boosted skill), encumberence, and gem use are all applied at the individual level. This means each member has to pay for his own armor, so to speak.

[ February 01, 2004, 21:55: Message edited by: Psitticine ]

onomastikon · #6 February 2nd, 2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Psitticine:
The base cost is divided up equally and then dealt with seperately by each member of the circle. Modifications for skill level (including the master's boosted skill), encumberence, and gem use are all applied at the individual level. This means each member has to pay for his own armor, so to speak.

THank you.
The master's booster skill only comes in at the individual level? Oh no, I didnt know that. That's why my slaves are having such a hard time. Ok the spell is not quite the bargain I had thought.
I had thought: Spell X which causes Y fatiuge, requiring Q levels, would cost my Master and my slaves less fatiuge because my master is casting it at Q+3 levels, thus the slaves would have less burden to bear? <-- is that wrong?
Does thank

Chris Byler · #7 February 2nd, 2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Psitticine:
The base cost is divided up equally and then dealt with seperately by each member of the circle. Modifications for skill level (including the master's boosted skill), encumberence, and gem use are all applied at the individual level. This means each member has to pay for his own armor, so to speak.

Does this mean that if the master casts a spell that is below his own level (even without the communion bonus) but above the slave's, the slaves still pay full fatigue? And they don't benefit from the master's gem use either? No wonder they pass out so fast...

Let's take a concrete example. A C'tis Sauromancer with his random in Astral, no empowerment or items (Death-3 Nature-1 Astral-1) leads a communion of two Shamans (both Nature-1 Astral-1), boosting his skills to Death-4 Nature-2 Astral-2. He then casts Shadow BLast (Death-2, fatigue 100-, gem cost 1), spending one extra gem beyond the required gem.

From the communion plus extra gem boost, the spell takes effect at level 5 (its range, area of effect, damage and magic penetration are all modified by caster's power). Since he has 3 levels of power above that required to cast the spell, he pays (100 base/(1+3 extra levels))/(3 members of communion) = 8 fatigue plus his base and armor encumbrances. Correct?

Now the slaves. Do they also pay 8 fatigue plus encumbrance (using the same calculation), or do they pay 33 fatigue (100 base/3 members) plus encumbrance? And would it be possible for them to use death gems to reduce fatigue, given that they have no death magic skill of their own?

One more question about communions. If spells that the master casts that affect himself also affect the slaves, what happens if the master casts Drain Life? Or Soul Vortex? Do the slaves get reinvigorated by those effects too?