Turmoil and Unrest

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Zen:
Well then since you asked so very nicely, there are a variety of answers none of which are more than likely going to answer your questions since I don't know every factor of increasing unrest.

Thanks.

1. An enemy is using a spy against you in some way on multiple provinces.

Highly improbable. And doesn't explain why it matches only provinces with this particular enemy dom.

2. You haven't found all the sites and a few are causing Unrest. Have you Acashic Record cast on all these provinces?

No. But 10+ provinces, most of which are adjacent to each other? Statistically very improbable.

3. Opposing dominion in provinces controlled by you creates unrest.

It does? I haven't seen that in my other games. I know in my R'lyeh game I took a Pythium province that had -9 dom, patrolled all the unrest out of it, and it has stayed at zero unrest ever since, despite the dom still being in Pythium's favor many turns later.

4. Stealth armies cause unrest (I don't know) and there are stealth armies running through your lands.

My neighbors in this game (thus far) are Ulm, Jot, and R'lyeh, and AFAIK none of those have stealth troops other than scouts. Ulm, the enemy with the turmoil dom, is down to a single province (I took his capital 2 turns ago).

5. Global Enchantments are causing unrest.

Only Gift of Health is active.

6. You are not killing your unrest all the way. Unrest produces more unrest and scales upward if you leave it unchecked.

I take note of the unrest before hosting, host, and then read the Messages and check the provinces. I'm killing all the unrest and it pops back up again, instantly.

Try leaving the opponents dominion on your provinces, killing all the unrest by turning your tax to 0% until it's all gone, then turn it to 100% and see if it rises, if it rises in only places with opponents dominion, then you might have your answer.

I'd already done this before I started the thread. But the issue is that it's only this opponent's dominion. Which leads me back to the Turmoil/Unrest relationship, which I think you've sort of proved isn't the case. It's crazy. It acts in my game as if there is a link, yet when you test for it you don't see one ...

Does Ulm have an unrest-causing dominion? Special unit? Something?

Oh, and thanks for all the time you've spent on this.

[aldin]

You know....

If Ulm has turmoil he might have the "Restless Worshippers" special dominion. It wouldn't suprise me at all to discover that that theme spreads unrest...

~Aldin

No I was saying that may be a reason.


Ulm has spies, Spies can "Instill Unrest" and have (I believe) Stealth (+30), so they are hard to find without 20+ human patrollers.

Is the Ulm player playing Black Forest? It may be some Black Forest thing that I never noticed.

I'd have to check all the themes for Jotun but I don't believe they get a spy that can instill unrest.

You might want to look at stealthy units carrying around magic items. I don't know of any that cause unrest, but you never know. And if Jotun is in the game, maybe some demons. Send out a big pile of patrollers in those unrest provinces and see if you can catch anyone/thing.

[Arryn]

Damn spies! Aha! Hang 'em!

I think that's it.

[onomastikon]

Originally posted by Arryn:
Sometime back on this forum I saw someone (alas I forget who) state that Turmoil has no effect on increasing Unrest. Yet in the game I'm currently playing, in every province where my foe Ulm has spread dominion I have unrest. Ulm is Turmoil-1 and I am Order-2. In every case where I flip a province from Ulm's dom to mine, the unrest goes away. Otherwise, no amount of patrolling or taxes will make it go away. Ergo, can someone please explain why I'm getting unrest, when the only cause that I can see is Ulm's dominion (ie: Turmoil)?

I reread your first post and no one has mentioned dominion yet. Dominion affects unrest unless I am mistaken. So your Unrest may decrease more when your dominion spreads, and where Ulm spreads his it may have a chance of rising.