Need to vent about "Vengeance of the Dead"

[Arryn]

Okay, makes sense. But it's sort of silly (and confusing) to include the battle replay. Why treat this ritual differently than getting Arrowed? (that's a rhetorical question, boys)

Thanks for the perspective.

[Arralen]

Battle Replay
Battle replay is there because it's a "real" battle - guess it's (code-wise) some kind of assassination (bodyguards left out), including spellcasting, dying from exhaustion, melee etc.

my opinion
It doesn't make sense to me that undead are counted as kills. It's especially strange that killing the soulless from VotD acutally counts against the rating, too - had a really strange incident with a Sidhe Lord. He got VotD'ed when he had 21 kills and wasn't in the hall of fame. He killed off those soulles and jumped there with 42 kills. Obviously the AI had a good time tracing him with spells or scouts (or blatantly cheated), 'cause he resisted 3 or more castings, killed those 42 souls off again before he finally exhausted himself frying the 3 Last soulless of the attacking 84 when he failed the MR test the third time he(I still wonder why the idiot chose a fat-20 spell when at 90 already, instead of doing melee what would have cost him net 2 pts/turn..)

Last but ..
Could anyone tell me why the attacking souls are actually represented by soulless? Wouldn't be Ghosts or Spirits more appropiate?


edited: faulty memory - the commander got VotD'ed 3 times succesfully - the first 2 times where pretty funny as they gave him a nice boost

[ February 25, 2004, 09:17: Message edited by: Arralen ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Arralen:
Could anyone tell me why the attacking souls are actually represented by soulless? Wouldn't be Ghosts or Spirits more appropiate?

It would, but that would make the spell really ugly ...

[Arralen]

Spell should be easier to resist. My Sidhe Lord had MR of 18 or so, but the spell got through roughly 1/3 of the times or so.
And if undead don't count, they wouldn't pile up as with my poor commander.

And spirits should be way easier to kill with area effect spells or multi-attack waepons or whatever .. On the other hand, they do the paralysation of doom, so maybe you're right ..

[ February 25, 2004, 09:23: Message edited by: Arralen ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Arralen:
if undead don't count

Not "undead don't count". The proposal is for "mindless/souless undead don't count". Ghosts have souls (pg 73). Spirits (such as a Wraith) do as well. Both would count. Replacing VotD attackers with non-corporeal, non-souless, non-mindless ghosts/spirits would indeed be ugly ...

[Pocus]

by the way its a design decision that VoTD soulless killed count as kills, and thus will double the number of VotD soulless you will encounter next time (happened 4 times for my Natajara in a PBEM, in the end she (he...) butchered more then 1000 soulless.

In a test game of mine, I crashed the game too, as the number of soulless kept of doubling. I think the game engine was smoked around 8000 soulless.

[Kristoffer O]

They are not soulless, but 'dead ones'. No big difference, but higher mr and ethereal IIRC.