Tien Chi Default

[rabelais]

Originally posted by johan osterman:

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Originally posted by rabelais:
Speaking of tien Chi, I'm on turn 18 of a multiplayer game with luck +3 and I have gotten ZERO heros.

Is this a bug, or am I just insanely unlucky?


Rabe the Coward Magnet

You are only slightly unlucky, with luck +3 you average 1 hero every sixteenth turn or so.

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It's turn 23 with no heros. I thought the chance was cumulative, such that you were *guaranteed* a hero every 17 turns with luck three.

(3%base +3% luck bonus)x17= 102%


Can someone spoil me on how hero acquisition actually works?


Thanks,


Rabe the Oh-So-Lacking a Role Model

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by rabelais:
Can someone spoil me on how hero acquisition actually works?

Hero acquisition is not cumulative. You get a 3% + luck chance of a hero every turn, as long as supplies permit. So if you have a 6%(w/ luck 3) chance of getting a hero this turn, you STILL have a 6% chance of getting one next turn. It's not going to be 12%. This means you have a 94% chance of NOT getting a hero on any given turn. So after 16 turns, you have a (0.94)^16 = 37% chance of not getting a hero. Hardly a hero every 16 turns or so. After 50 turns, you'll have a ~4.5% chance of not getting a hero. It can happen, but it's not lucky.

[rabelais]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Hero acquisition is not cumulative. You get a 3% + luck chance of a hero every turn, as long as supplies permit. So if you have a 6%(w/ luck 3) chance of getting a hero this turn, you STILL have a 6% chance of getting one next turn. It's not going to be 12%. This means you have a 94% chance of NOT getting a hero on any given turn. So after 16 turns, you have a (0.94)^16 = 37% chance of not getting a hero. Hardly a hero every 16 turns or so. After 50 turns, you'll have a ~4.5% chance of not getting a hero. It can happen, but it's not lucky.

Hmm. Well I think it should be cumulative. Even if at a lower base.

Make the difference between luck and misfortune more discernable.

Rabe the Bummed

[SelfishGene]

Originally posted by tinkthank:
Any other tips for Default theme?

Imperial Consorts are (of course imo) the single best unit in the game. Even against real players and not simply the AI. They are virtually impossible to detect and require a ton of troops patrolling a province to be caught - in truth, i've yet to have a single one be uncovered.

Consorts can shut an opponents' economy down HARD. One consort causing unrest can usually be managed with 80-90% taxes - which cuts income by 25%+. Two will require 50% and the unrest will still build without patrolling. Over three and that province is locked down. You can send them straight to your opponents capital without any fear at all with their +30 stealth. It usually only takes five or six consorts to cut an opponents income by nearly half if placed correctly. Forge Rings of Water Breathing + Flying Shoes (each only 5 gems), and you shut down underwater provinces. I can't play T'ien Ch'i without consorts.

Red Guards are great. Imperial Crossbows are basically the best crossbow unit you can buy. Mages are sacred so cheaper to maintain. Eunuchs are not at all bad to have around once your past the early game (for that extra insurance).

The only mediocre unit is the Prince General, but i still buy them anyway .

My favorite blessing is Astral-9 for Red Guards; gives them a much greater chance of avoiding 'bad luck' and lets them close ranks. Also means they can charge straight into enemy cavalry and win every time.

Best T'ien C'hi build ive come up with is:

Oracle w/ 9 Astral
6 Dominion w/ Ceremonial Faith
2 Order, 1 Productivity, 2 Growth
Fortified City.

This seems to work very well and feels like it fits the theme nicely.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by SelfishGene:
Imperial Consorts are (of course imo) the single best unit in the game. Even against real players and not simply the AI. They are virtually impossible to detect and require a ton of troops patrolling a province to be caught - in truth, i've yet to have a single one be uncovered.

They have the same stealth as the spies that are available to Ulm or Marignon, but cost 10 gold more. They will be found quite easily in an opponent's capital if the initial province defense is still there. It should only take about 25-40 units patrolling to find it in a few turns otherwise. Black Forest Ulms Members of the Second Tier are considerably more stealthy and also have astral 2, blood 1. They can cast ritual of returning to make it much harder to actually kill them.

[SelfishGene]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
They have the same stealth as the spies that are available to Ulm or Marignon, but cost 10 gold more. They will be found quite easily in an opponent's capital if the initial province defense is still there. It should only take about 25-40 units patrolling to find it in a few turns otherwise. Black Forest Ulms Members of the Second Tier are considerably more stealthy and also have astral 2, blood 1. They can cast ritual of returning to make it much harder to actually kill them.

Actually no they don't. Spies have +20 stealth; Consorts have +30. Send a spy to incite unrest in an enemy capital and they are immediately uncovered (i just tested this) - like i said before ive NEVER had a Consort be uncovered.

Members of the Second Tier cost 160 gold and have the same +30 stealth rating. Per gold consorts are much more efficient at causing unrest (obviously). For other uses, perhaps, the Illuminati are better.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by SelfishGene:
Actually no they don't. Spies have +20 stealth; Consorts have +30. Send a spy to incite unrest in an enemy capital and they are immediately uncovered (i just tested this) - like i said before ive NEVER had a Consort be uncovered.

I have uncovered them on a regular basis with not too many troops patrolling. What I was thinking of was Man's Bards.