Magic sites questions

[Kristoffer O]

Not sure of the exact numbers. I guess it works like this:

Magic: (site freq) + 30
Waste: (site freq) + 20
Swamp: (site freq) + 20
Mountain: (site freq) + 10
Forest: (site freq) + 10
Farm: (site freq) - 20

Only the most beneficial counts.

If site: Check what site. Random.
If site not possible: Reroll.
If site unique and already in the game: Reroll.
If site possible and rare: Reroll once.

Many nature sites are common but restricted to forests etc.

Unique sites are also rare or common. Inkpot end is unique and common. Crown of Darkness is rare.

No blood under water IIRC. Not sure about unholy.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Not sure of the exact numbers. I guess it works like this:

Magic: (site freq) + 30
Waste: (site freq) + 20
Swamp: (site freq) + 20
Mountain: (site freq) + 10
Forest: (site freq) + 10
Farm: (site freq) - 20

Only the most beneficial counts.

If site: Check what site. Random.
If site not possible: Reroll.
If site unique and already in the game: Reroll.
If site possible and rare: Reroll once.

Many nature sites are common but restricted to forests etc.

Unique sites are also rare or common. Inkpot end is unique and common. Crown of Darkness is rare.

No blood under water IIRC. Not sure about unholy.

Great, thank you Kristoffer - that's exactly inforamtion that I was looking for!

So Mountains and Forests are actually less beneficial than Swamps and Wastes? Interesting, it is contrary to common belief that Mountains are the best land for magic sites. It is very good to know, and it also changes my entire sitesearching strategy, since I always tried to search Mountains first.


I take it that "Magic" is some very rare and highly magical terrain type that exist on some maps? Haven't seen it yet, have been playing mostly on Aran/Orania/Karan/Inland maps so far.

[Endoperez]

It is possible to make some terrins have magic sites more often, and I think that is what Kristoffer is referring to. I think it can't be seen in-game if the mapmaker hasn't made it visible somehow, but luckily Jason Lutes added both some stars and little decorations (henges, towers) to these provinces.

[Kristoffer O]

I'm not sure of the specifics. Waste might be 30, swamp and mountain 20. It was just a guess.

[Firebreath]

I believe that list is incomplete Zen.

Sunray has produced a nice list with all the effects:

http://www.bl23c.com/arryn/downloads/dom2sites.xls

check it out. It's too complicated for me, but maybe you guys will understand it

[Gandalf Parker]

Magic is a terrain switch. Changes have been made to the game which didnt get to the documentation. Or if you are like me you might have gotten an error when it tried to update the docs, and the patch skipped that.

The #terrain command is a number created by adding together the numerics for everything that can be said to apply to that province. And as Kristoffer mentioned, apparently these are not cumulative as to the random roll. The best one is whats used in deciding what plus to add to a sites roll. As far as I know this is the latest up-to-date list of terrain switches.....

nothing (defaults to plains) 0
small 1
large 2
sea 4
fresh water 8
mountain 16
swamp 32
waste 64
forest 128
farm 256
nostart 512 - for islands and special provinces
manysites 1024 - increased site frequency

So if province 9 is a plains, small, no-start then the map has it a "#Terrain 9 513" (0+1+512) and it you wanted to add a higher chance of magic sites then you would add 1024 to that and make it "#terrain 9 1537"

[ April 03, 2004, 14:25: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

Originally posted by Firebreath:
I believe that list is incomplete Zen.

Sunray has produced a nice list with all the effects:

http://www.bl23c.com/arryn/downloads/dom2sites.xls

check it out. It's too complicated for me, but maybe you guys will understand it

That is taken from that list. It only lists underwater sites, if that wasn't clear enough.