Vampire Queens and Sneaking Armies

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Minrhael:
Issuing the move order first then click again to get patrol doesn't work for sneaking armies; as I said I got the non-sneaking to work. It seems to just be a missing option unless I'm doing something really stupid. For the record this is with a sidhe champion and all daoine sidhe in case it matters. Can anyone get any sneaking army to move & patrol?

ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

[Arralen]

.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...
A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times. To make things more interesting, use difficult or extremly difficult research.

[Minrhael]

ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

Nope, this does not work, just went and quadruple-checked. With 2 armies, one a monk leading 10 daoine sidhe and one and sidhe champion leading 24 sidhe moving between 2 adjacent provinces that I control.

In both cases if I originally sneak, then re-click to change I get choices of: defend province, patrol province (which patrols current in both cases), move, search, preach, blood hunt, construct, pillage, cancel. If I originally ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, I get the exact same choices except move is replaced by sneak in the list.

It seems there's something missing as I can think of no logical reason why they wouldn't be able to move&patrol like every regular army.

[Slygar]

I agree. The VQ needs to be more expensive, or something. Compare her to the Bog Mummy and Master Lich (or whichever lich is more expensive..) and it's pretty obvious that she just totally overpowers them. Since most of her abilities are pretty thematic, I would rather see more expensive paths and an increased cost than an actual nerf of the unit.

Maybe she could be restricted to only blood nations, such as Abysia and Mictlan - but not Ermor, since they aren't exactly blood focused But one way or the other, a Pretender with so many obvious advantages (from immortality, regen, etherealness, stealth, decent path cost, immortal vampire groupies, etc) should also be the most expensive.

[archaeolept]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...
A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times. To make things more interesting, use difficult or extremly difficult research.

*cough*

a fire 4 shield? well, sure, if you're not even trying. W/ Alt 3 Enchant 1 a cheap VQ can destroy pretty well anything on the planet w/out breaking a sweat.

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Minrhael:

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ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

Nope, this does not work, just went and quadruple-checked. With 2 armies, one a monk leading 10 daoine sidhe and one and sidhe champion leading 24 sidhe moving between 2 adjacent provinces that I control.

In both cases if I originally sneak, then re-click to change I get choices of: defend province, patrol province (which patrols current in both cases), move, search, preach, blood hunt, construct, pillage, cancel. If I originally ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, I get the exact same choices except move is replaced by sneak in the list.

It seems there's something missing as I can think of no logical reason why they wouldn't be able to move&patrol like every regular army.

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For any unit to move and patrol you have to be going into a castle. You are aware of that, right?

[Taqwus]

If you want to restrict access to her, Black Forest Ulm strikes me as the most thematically reasonable beneficiary.