Vampire Queens and Sneaking Armies

[archaeolept]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...
A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times. To make things more interesting, use difficult or extremly difficult research.

*cough*

a fire 4 shield? well, sure, if you're not even trying. W/ Alt 3 Enchant 1 a cheap VQ can destroy pretty well anything on the planet w/out breaking a sweat.

[Yossar]

Originally posted by Minrhael:

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ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, then change movement order to move and patrol.

Nope, this does not work, just went and quadruple-checked. With 2 armies, one a monk leading 10 daoine sidhe and one and sidhe champion leading 24 sidhe moving between 2 adjacent provinces that I control.

In both cases if I originally sneak, then re-click to change I get choices of: defend province, patrol province (which patrols current in both cases), move, search, preach, blood hunt, construct, pillage, cancel. If I originally ctrl-click to move instead of sneak, I get the exact same choices except move is replaced by sneak in the list.

It seems there's something missing as I can think of no logical reason why they wouldn't be able to move&patrol like every regular army.

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For any unit to move and patrol you have to be going into a castle. You are aware of that, right?

[Taqwus]

If you want to restrict access to her, Black Forest Ulm strikes me as the most thematically reasonable beneficiary.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Arralen:
.. play with indies=7 or better even 9. Bet you won't get far with your VQ ...

If you don't then you aren't scripting her right, and haven't given her the right paths.

A naked VQ with fire-4-shield kills 5..15 milita per combat. That won't make 60+ troops root 4 in 5 times.

All you need to make her essentially invulnerable to normal troops is water 2, and 20 protection. Just cast quickness, breath of winter, attack and watch the troops die. Add a stoneskin if you put earth magic on her. The VQ has almost every modifier that you need on a SC, so she doesn't need mch equipment to make her truly fearsome.

[Firebreath]

Bah, vq's suck. Mine got decked (along with about 200 ulmish infantry) 4 times in a row by a group of 5 random invading heroes, including a troll on his own at the end, vs 120 black plate elites, 5-6 smiths and the vq pumped up with equipment each time (although no spells, to support an ulm-friendly dominion).

Normally though, she's vulnerable to all sorts of spells and enchanted items...

[Minrhael]

For any unit to move and patrol you have to be going into a castle. You are aware of that, right?

Um, ya, I knew that really I did ... not Ah well, that should take care of my stupid mistake for the day. Thanks!

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Firebreath:
Bah, vq's suck.

Actually, I would say that she's the single most powerful combat pretender out there.

(although no spells, to support an ulm-friendly dominion).

Then that's the problem, you didn't take advantage of magic to make her essentially invulnerable.

Normally though, she's vulnerable to all sorts of spells and enchanted items...

Put an elemental armor on her, and minor magic resist equipment, and then just about the only thing that has a chance to hurt her is death magic. You can give her afflictions by cursing her and using very buff tramplers, but she'll get better in just a few turns.