Vampire Queen mod

[Kel]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Huzurdaddi:
But really the problem is the life drain attack. Make it armor piercing, heck make it add +10 damage or something wacky like that to "rebalance it."

Uh....you want to make life drain BETTER? It already *IS* armor piercing, but currently adds 0 damage. You want to make it add +10 damage now? How's that balanced?

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I think he meant give it +10 (or something) *instead* of life draining...

Correct me if I am wrong.

- Kel

[Huzurdaddi]

I think he meant give it +10 (or something) *instead* of life draining...

Yup that's what I meant. The life drain portion of the attack is what really makes the VQ go in the early game. Get rid of that, and "balance" it back with almost ANYTHING ( like a +10 AP attack, whatever! ) and she will not be an expanion machine.

She will probably still be pretty decenet with tons of high powered items, but that's ok. Almost all pretenders are pretty good with tons of high powered items. Maybe not as good as her, but heck she does cost 110 points.

[Endoperez]

What makes vampires ethereal in the first place?

If it is a cloak (someone mentioned something about vampires and cloaks, thanks for him!), giving the Queen body armor would take the etherealness away. Make any weapon take away her life-draining attack, and take away one of her miscellanous item slots. She can't drain the blood if she whacks her enemies down with a sword, and surely some of those abilities come from magical amulets...

[Yossar]

She's ethereal because vampires are generally considered to be all but immune to most conventional weapons.

[Taqwus]

That, however, has the powerful side-effect of making her just about (if not completely?) immune to Wind Ride, which would otherwise be a convenient way for dealing with the immortality.

[Pirateiam]

The great thing about Dominions is that species and nations have themes. Therefore it should follow the undead theme -very susceptible to Fire damage. Also another thought - if this is possible - Make all vampire like units receive double damage versus lances (stake through the heart). Sure woulld make tactical battles more interesting. Those SC VQs would need some shield infantry support and it follows the vampire theme.

Those that do not think the VQ is overpowered either have never faced a human controlled tweaked VQ or they always play with one themselves.

[ April 19, 2004, 22:33: Message edited by: Pirateiam ]

[Chris Byler]

The problem with VQ is that she can wear a variety of protective items and cast protective spells, making her very hard to damage; and then if she is damaged (probably for a small amount) she gets it back the next round from life drain.

If she has astral, even very high astral, she can be stopped by magic duel (backed by Banner of the Northern Star, Power of the Spheres, and potentially communion). If she brings her own banner carrier and/or communion slaves, kill them first.

If she doesn't have astral, even 20 MR won't stop a gang of mages spamming Soul Slay forever. You could do suicide runs with Inner Sun (How much damage does it do? Is there an MR save? Is it elemental?)

Is the VQ inanimate, and if so, is she affected by Shatter? (100 PREC, no MR save, 35+ armor negating damage... ouch!) Gifts from Heaven is hard to cast (Evo 5, Earth 3 Astral 1), but does 150 non-elemental damage with no MR save - if it hits. And of course, if she is given fire susceptibility, it'll be harder to avoid Holy Pyre, Just Mans Cross, Flambeau and Angelic Host. Dust to Dust and Wither Bones are effective if they hit, but require Death magic.

You can horror mark her and call horrors, but I don't know how effective that would be against a really super supercombatant. AFAIK you can't call Doom Horrors or the King of the World. (Call Doom Horror would make a cool Blood 9 spell...) Although maybe if you have enough people use Hell Power, you'll get the KotW to show up on his own.