Comparison of Knights

[DeathDaemon]

Machaka spiders?

I'm always scared of them, but not much else other than sorcerers and bane spiders (assassins).

code:

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(1). Spider knight - web spit, fangs (16 dmg, web, death poison), spear, forest survival. Not bad 

(2). Black hunter - lance, fangs (18 dmg, web, death poison), spear, forest survival, sacred.  Scary.





	(1)	(2)

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HP	12	13	

PROT	18	22

MRL	11	14

MR	10	11

STR	11	11

ATK	11	12

DEF	13	10

MOVE	2/12	2/20

COST	55/25	125/38

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[PvK]

I'm with Lintman. Comparing heavy cavalry between nations is academically interesting but since each nation is chosen as a whole, in practice one needs to consider each nation, in which case the conclusion is that they are all rather different, and are also different depending on the play style, the choice of pretender and blessings, the situation, etc.

Machaka spider cavalry is very good, especially since killing the rider doesn't kill the spider, who is deadly and hard to kill, all by itself. Machaka has lots of other good stuff, too.

PvK

[Vynd]

Ermor's Knight of the Sepulchre has excellent killing power for its cost.

[mlepinski]

Originally posted by LintMan:
Some of the other Posts have pointed out some down sides for the Van, but I wanted to address this point. I don't think it's a great idea to push for nerfs and boosts on the basis of just comparing against a handful of other races' equivalent units. Dom2 (thankfully!) doesn't have unit-by-unit balance among the races. Some races have fantastic cavalry, some do not. Some have awesome missile units, and some do not. Same thing with mages, etc. Every race has some benefits and tradeoffs. IMHO, if you don't look at the bigger picture when comparing race's units, you risk either throwing the overall balance out of whack, or homogenizing all the races.

An excellent post and I agree wholeheartedly. Yes, Ulm has excellent heavy cavalry for the cost, but they need to have strong national units (like Black Knights) because their magical options are severely limited. Similarly, it's reasonable for Marignon's Knights of the Chalice to be expensive, because Marignon has a variety of solid national units, excellent priests and useful mages. If Marignon was able to field Knights of the Chalice in large numbers (which they could easily do if the cost were lower), then they would likely be too strong.

For the specific case of the Red Gaurd, (which was the orginal topic of this post), it's very possible that the Red Gaurd could be strengthened without unbalancing Tien Chi.

However, in general, I feel that the homogenizing the empires is the worst thing that could happen to Dominions 2 and we should be very worry of unit-to-unit comparisons taken without the greater context of their respective empires.

- Matt Lepinski :->

[tinkthank]

Yes, forgot about Machaka spiders (since they dont look like horsies), but I shouldnt have.

I have never played (for or against) Ermor seriously, so I dont know what those knights can do.

I also agree with the general gist of Lintman, and Mlepinski. Please note that I *did* mention in my original post that these units must all be seen in what I called their "context" of their nation, and that a unit-for-unit comparison will often be misleading. I didnt want to say: "Hey, the This is better than the That: nerf!" It would be foolish, in my opinon, to suggest, for example, that Ulmish Infantries are way to strong for their price compared with others (since they *must* be tougher physically than most other infantries).

Nevertheless....

It seems that the Red Guard of Tien Chi doesnt really have much going for it, even in its context, which compares to Vans, whereas both the Red Guard and the Vans could be said to have similar roles.

I feel that my question regarding Marignon's Chalice Knights has been answered duly. Thanks!

best to all

[Tuna-Fish]

One knight-like units has been forgotten, even if it's not actually cavalry. I present to you: Niefel Giant

code:

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HP   66

Stre 26 (in cold-3)

Prot 20 (in cold-3, 18 in cold-2)

Att  14 (in cold-3)

Def  14 (-||-)

Mor  14

MR   15

Enc  4

Move 3/17



cost 150/40

sacred, chill, susp. fire, cold immune

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Use with wolven winter, and preferably w-9 bless. Dam-33 attack really shines with 50% quickness

Nature bless could also be devastating, 7 hp regen foreveryone isn't shabby.