TDM-Modpack politics in really big game

[Marty Ward]

There seem to be some races that are pissed off as soon as they meet you. I think the Rage is one of them. I have never had a game where they were friendly, cool is the best I've seen I think.

[Alpha Kodiak]

So, you met the "You breathe? We will fix that NOW." Rage Collective. About the only time they will be friendly is if they are already in at least one, and more likely, two wars. The Rage were created as a weapon system by some long dead race. They seem to have gotten a little out of control, and are now trying to rid the galaxy of all intelligent (or not so intelligent) life.

[Phoenix-D]

You should check, because think you automaticlly claim systems that you colonize. Also, your nearby colonies are considered attack locations.. even if you are an ally at the time. (*cough* backstab *cough*)

Phoenix-D

[capnq]

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You should check, because think you automaticlly claim systems that you colonize.

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There's a toggle for this in Empire Options; the default setting is claim them.

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Cap'n Q

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft

[jc173]

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Originally posted by LCC:
In my really big game it is now turn 10. I have met the Rage and they immediately turned Murderous declaring war. Is that normal ?

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Yes, unless you are a much more powerful empire when you meet them, the Rage pretty much automatically declare war. They're a pretty psychotic race. Kind of like Skynet leading the Berserkers.

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The Cue Cappa accepted my gift of resources 4000/3000/3000 with trade treaty then cancelled two turns later. Maybe it is because I planted a colony on a sphere world in one of their home systems. I am not claiming systems as I colonize so the attack location thing should not be the problem, or is it ?

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Not sure, I think the AI will that a threat anyhow. At least I've seen them attack my colonies like that previously, even though the system itself wasn't contested on the border display map.

[Atraikius]

Your problem with the CueCappa may have been from the Last two line of the politics file, where it tells the AI the limits for it to continue trading with you. I f they also had their anger towards you increase, it may have been boosted by the ;get made over allied colonizable planets' setting.

In my really big game it is turn 20. Politics are as follows. Initial score/rank in parenthesis, then current score/rank, then current number tech levels, then current systems/planets, then units/ships/bases, then wars-w/no treaty-n/treaty-t, then my relation with the race. I am at war with Drushocka, Rage, and Sallegra by their choice. I still have no treaty with the Cue Cappa, but they never declared war - cautious I guess. I am behind schedule on race contact, slowed by the war effort. My ships are light cruisers except three colony. The LC are population transports with three mine launch bays (330 pop/ 6 small mines) except a half dozen retrofitted to missile (!) ships to defend the Central system. I do not have shield tech so cannot afford beam fights. My trade treaties give me very good dividends, well worth the effort. With my mines being swept at four planets, I have switched production to small mines with only one 300 kt warhead, which is 2/3 the cost in minerals and 1/2 the cost in radioactives of a two warhead mine. About half my planets have a base space yard in orbit on repeat build of mines. I am at 500k minerals throwing away 40k per turn due to lack of storage for a total loss since start of game of about 1000k minerals, which breaks my heart but the AI do no better. I am half full on organics at +20k. I am quarter full on radioactives at +5k. I just built my first intelligence center at a sphereworld. It took me this long to plant, build a yard, and build a base yard plus some mines and misc facilities. I have planted only Rock/None and am defending Central and the ten nexus sphere worlds. I have moved over 1000k population to all of them. Except for Ike the original home planets are still nearly full on population, cranking out a transport LC every two turns. The Ike nexus homeworlds have just now switched to building base space yards every 3-4 turns, with space yard 3. The next step is to have the nexus worlds colonize their 3-6 secondary sphereworlds. Once those are secure I can start thinking about the 900 large planets... I have planted then abandoned eight ruins worlds searching for useful tech starting two turns ago. The Sergetti have not gone Mega Evil Empire since I set the level to 5000k rather than 500k. It seemed ridiculous to me to see anybody going MEE before turn 70.

Sergetti ------- (213.6/16) 513.9/01 - 58 - 05/25 - 0082/57/11 - 2w/1n/1t - TR Warm
Clays(me) --- (213.0/18) 462.8/02 - 58 - 20/30 - 1426/40/18 - 3w/1n/9t - myself
Krill ------------ (220.1/11) 450.9/03 - 41 - 03/19 - 0069/52/00 - 1w/1n/5t - TR Cool
Pyrochette -- (287.6/01) 444.5/04 - 62 - 05/20 - 0406/28/05 - 1w/0n/1t - not met
Rage ---------- (261.7/03) 431.3/05 - 53 - 09/24 - 0394/41/03 - 2w/2n/4t - War Displeased
Cryslonite --- (218.9/12) 420.9/06 - 49 - 06/20 - 0246/41/02 - 1w/1n/1t - not met
Sallegra ------ (220.2/10) 420.7/07 - 51 - 05/28 - 0177/29/06 - 1w/0n/7t - War Murderous
Amonkrie ---- (235.5/05) 397.7/08 - 50 - 03/42 - 0337/17/00 - no contacts with any - colonizing
Drushocka -- (213.9/15) 381.4/09 - 46 - 06/25 - 0098/28/03 - 1w/0n/4t - War Angry
Abbidon ------ (217.2/13) 380.4/10 - 38 - 04/33 - 0168/29/01 - 0w/1n/0t - not met
Toron ---------- (278.8/02) 369.5/11 - 62 - 06/18 - 0901/18/02 - 1w/0n/5t - MA Brotherly
Eee ------------ (223.9/08) 365.2/12 - 35 - 08/33 - 0248/15/00 - no contacts with any - colonizing
Narn ----------- (257.6/04) 359.1/13 - 49 - 10/14 - 0296/25/02 - 1w/3n/3t - TR Amiable
Toltayan ----- (213.1/07) 351.7/14 - 40 - 05/18 - 0243/30/00 - 2w/1n/0t - meet on his turn
Cue Cappa -- (211.7/20) 346.3/15 - 42 - 06/19 - 0106/23/03 - 0w/5n/5t - none Warm
Xi Chung ----- (212.1/19) 345.9/16 - 39 - 06/15 - 1168/47/04 - 2w/0n/3t - T Murderous
Piundan ------ (226.8/07) 324.0/17 - 49 - 06/17 - 0992/28/01 - 1w/0n/1t - MA Warm
Phong --------- (228.3/06) 296.1/18 - 41 - 04/17 - 0063/21/00 - 1w/0n/1t - TR Receptive
Colonials ---- (220.5/09) 277.7/19 - 50 - 05/13 - 1424/17/01 - 1w/1n/2t - MA Receptive
Ukra Tal ----- (216.0/14) 201.3/20 - 37 - 04/12 - 0058/15/00 - 2w/1n/4t - TR Brotherly

Notice that those races not at war are actively colonizing and will eventually surpass all others (except hopefully me). Most of the Sergetti and Krill score is in those ships, so they are not the threat they seem. Perhaps the AI would be better off doing at least a modest amount of colonization even during war time. The Colonials, Piundan, Toron, and Xichung in particular would have been better off colonizing than building that huge stockpile of fighters. With three wars to fight losing mines (launched mines not in my score) and population to shift I have not done any colonizing myself in a long time, but that will soon change....

The Ukra Tal are caught between the Rage and the Krill. They have lost three homeworlds. I guess they are gonna die....

I am about to lose my treaty with Xichung. I am stalling off his break treaty by giving a resources gift (which he refuses) to keep him from initiating a message on his own. Definitely a stop gap measure till my colony gets defended since he just keeps getting more angry.... I expect a problem with the Krill soon. I will not make that mistake again.