OT: Flowers for the grave of MoM.

[Karacan]

EoFS works fine for my AthlonXP on WinXP, and I still pbem it, for which it's perfect. I don't think there were many broken things with it... I absolutely loved the diplomacy model. It felt as if it really worked, even with the AI.

And, really, it's one of the perfect pbem games, despite non-simultaneous turns, because of the incredible intricate political complexities involved. Reminded me very much of Junta the boardgame, where the eternal issue was to find the one Minister of the Inerior among the players you could trust...

[spirokeat]

MoM was definately an Iconic game. I got it when it first came out and along with MOO and Chaos Overlords (if anyone recalls that) I thought they were the best turn based strats of their era's I spent literally years playing them along various themes.

My fave MoM thing at the start was racing to curse my starter troops with lycanthropy, I had these little visions of these poor spearmen in the employ of Azac the Dead but having long suffering wives who had to put up with their monthly rampages around the local area exploring, then one day they came home but were werewolves.

And I would spend literally hours doing the reload thing to ensure I got the hero I wanted on the summons. I forget what he was called as I always changed his name but he was this stealthy assassin type and I always summoned him an army of night stalkers to terrorise the country with.

I missed DoM 1, but nuff respect to the designers, DOM 2 has lived up to MoM in every way that a host of games have failed in. I only regret that you cant control battlefield combat. Though I can imagine the nightmares of coding that a good AI take.

I raise my glass to MoM.

Spirokeat

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by spirokeat:
I missed DoM 1, but nuff respect to the designers, DOM 2 has lived up to MoM in every way that a host of games have failed in. I only regret that you cant control battlefield combat. Though I can imagine the nightmares of coding that a good AI take.

I raise my glass to MoM.

Spirokeat

Cheers.

Of course I can't speak for the developers but IMHO the main problem with full control over the battlefiled in Dom2 would not be the difficulty of coding tactical AI, but that there is no way how to make such model work in MP Dom2 game. With gameturns by the end of the game taking so long as it is, it would be impossible to implement direct human control over the battles, a la AoW2 or MoM, in typical MP Dom2 game.

I would love to have such option in the SP games though. Perhaps in Dom3?...

[Saarud]

Wow you guys are talking about many of my absolute favorite games since the early 90´s.

Dom2 is the best game... PERIOD.

Mom I haven't actually played in a decade or so because my disc mysteriously disappeared. But beside the exploring I remember all the different races and how they differed from eachother they were as being the most interested part of the game for me.

EFS was great using loads of house rules not to exploit any of the many bugs. But I have to agree that it is one of the best PBeM games that I have ever played. If the turns would have been simoultaneus somehow it would probably be the best.

Chaos Overlords is still on my top 5 list of favorite games. This is another excellent MP game and I've had so much fun playing this against my friends. Usually we could finish a game in one session though by the end we were all rather drunk.

Another great game not mentioned yet is Sword of Aragon. This game has it all, well almost the replaybility is not the best since the story is the same every time. Also SoA is only SP no MP. But considering the age of the game I still value this game amongst the best.

[Sheap]

Ahh Emperor of the Fading Suns. What a great game - especially using the Nova mod which I do not any longer recall the URL for.

The only problem with EFS - and it is a debilitating one - is the insane level of micromanagement required. To play it competitively was almost like a full time job.

Also played Stars@!# and MoM - MoM had too many abuses and Stars!@# was also very high on the micromanagement. DOM2 seems to avoid the MM trap which will earn it a long life on my system I think

[PDF]

Well, in fact I didn't even try, but EFS works like a charm indeed on my rig , I confused the tech problems with MOO I suppose

All the great mods are still around and Hyperion even had a new release in April !

Thinking about it there is much things in common between EFS and Dom : a great number and variety of units, all very detailed, with characteristics having a big impact on the unit performances, rich strategic choices (tech in EFS vs magic iN Dom), detailed combat system, great MP, modding ability...
But yes EFS is too much micromanagement heavy, where Dom2 is just on the good side of the borderline

[Anglachel]

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Originally posted by FadingSuns:
MoM alone caused me to upgrade my computer. The animation for the nodes brought my 486 to a stuttering standstill. I loved the game enough to sink cash into a new system just to get that one part to run smoothly.
Dom2 might do the same for me now. I can run the battles smoothly with the 'world' hidden, but where's the fun with that? Lush battle graphics deserve to be seen!
MoM is still going to be #1 for me, at least until I start being able to stomp some races in Dom2. Gotta love the Myrror world!

Oh Wow! Your name just reminded me of a game that I really liked that I would love to find a copy of if there is one around. Empire of the Fading Sun. Flawed as it was, I loved that game and its flavor.

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The mods -much better than the original- are also still floating around.
I still have everything installed, but have difficulty playing MoM and EoFS with my new Athlon2400xp rig - still in W98SE but my old mem settings with emm386 don't work anymore ...

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Thanks for the heads up

[ June 07, 2004, 14:53: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]