Pangaeda: New Age - the redheaded stepchild of Dom2?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Jasper:
-ulmish sytle resistance to drain?

I'd rather have resistance to turmoil actually, since it might fit better.

That would be great, except the requirements of NE is Order 1, Production 1

[tinkthank]

I'd sort of not like resistance to drain, if only because I think nations shouldnt have "special" abilities of the others' (drain resistance, conscription, resistance to death, etc.). I think a slight reduction in the cost of dryad hoplites without increasing their power is more than enough, plus a change to the NNEE pan. Keeping the Harpy Queen is also a nice idea.

[Chris Byler]

Originally posted by Jasper:
Originally posted by Kristoffer O:

>DH were mass tested without blessings vs ulmish infantry and stood their ground. But you are right, they are much more expensive than sidhe.

I never thought ulmish infantry were so good, although I guess they are middle of the pack. Plus, they're exactly the sort of thing that Dryad's would be best against.

Still, I'm surprised the DH were even gold for gold with Ulmish infantry. Outnumbered 5 to 1, I just can't see how they'd keep up.

Maybe the Ulmsmen get to pay full fatigue even when they fail to attack? Or if the masses were large enough, they might be unable to bring their full strength to bear on a smaller body of individually superior troops. Of course, this assumes that DH were able to damage Ulmish infantry at all, I don't see how they could without a strong Blood blessing or Fire 9.

Anyway, a unit that relies on awe to survive is not only vulnerable to missiles and magic, but also to mindless troops, and if it's a modest level of awe, anything with high morale (btw - do the starvation and dominion modifiers to morale affect awe rolls? What about the battle fright affliction?) Awe is not an effective main line of defense even at very high levels because there are so many forms of attack that ignore it completely.

Defense is bad enough as a main line of defense, but awe is even worse - everything that ignores defense also ignores awe, *and* several more things ignore or are only slightly affected by awe.

>We at illwinter are awed by awe and fear it greatly. No other special effect is given as much undeserved respect.

*Grin* Well put. ;-) ;-)

Well, you at Illwinter need higher morale then. I suggest some experience, blessing, or the heroic valor ability.

Of course, being mindless would solve your awe problem, but create some other problems.


At any rate, if NE Pangaea is intended to be a third-rate magical nation, they need to be first-rate military. Centaurs with composite bows? Cataphracts with lances? Minotaurs with throwing axes, or just better training (i.e. improved attack and defense) than the old era minotaurs? Satyr Crossbowmen? Giving them strong heavy troops would fit well with the concept of the theme and their required Productivity scale.

[Jasper]

Originally posted by Chris Byler:
Maybe the Ulmsmen get to pay full fatigue even when they fail to attack? Or if the masses were large enough, they might be unable to bring their full strength to bear on a smaller body of individually superior troops. Of course, this assumes that DH were able to damage Ulmish infantry at all, I don't see how they could without a strong Blood blessing or Fire 9.

Ulmish troops get hit alot, which increases the chances for lucky damage rolls. Fatigued troops also have a random chance of having their armor bypassed, IIRC.

Still, 5 to 1? This I have to see for myself.

[Daynarr]

Originally posted by Chris Byler:
everything that ignores defense also ignores awe, *and* several more things ignore or are only slightly affected by awe.

Not exactly true. Awe is countered by morale, while defense is countered by attack value. Not every high attack unit has high morale and not every high morale unit has high attack.

[Jasper]

In particular Entanglement and Blindess counter defense, but not Awe. Awe is nice, but is in general a weaker effect than Luck -- which is nice but not really potent.