SCs other than the vq

[Pocus]

Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Phoenix. Lich with winged boots.

Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.


edit: I think IW is not putting enough emphasize on how exploit-prone are some of the tougher pretenders

[ May 04, 2004, 16:24: Message edited by: Pocus ]

[Kristoffer O]

Originally posted by Pocus:
Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.


edit: I think IW is not putting enough emphasize on how exploit-prone are some of the tougher pretenders

On the other hand you are doing a good job of emphasizing all sorts of things

Phoenix is splendid. 1 evoc (fire darts) is all you need. Reliability comes from immortality rather than HP.

Apart from VQ, which pretenders can be exploited?

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Originally posted by Pocus:
Phoenix cant be used reliably as SC, the base hit points is too low.

He's great to soften the opposition a bit (or a lot) though. Cloud Trapeze in with the Phoenix, do as much havoc as you can, move an army in the same turn to collect the spoils while the Phoenix is back home, rinse & repeat.

[Teraswaerto]

The Phoenix has many problems. Poor slots, narrow or expensive paths. Fire Darts does not a SC make. I'm not saying it isn't good, only not anywhere near the VQ.

A Lich costs the same as a VQ, but lacks most of her abilities.

[archaeolept]

yah, none of these other immortals stack up to the VQ, who is so extremely exploitable its a joke,and, along w/ the combo strategy of clamming and castling, actually a broken element in the game.

There are lots of fun SCs, but they're normal run of the mill. The GK is perhaps a bit strong due to it's cheap paths, and the Allfather is a monster.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Nagot Gick Fel:
He's great to soften the opposition a bit (or a lot) though. Cloud Trapeze in with the Phoenix, do as much havoc as you can, move an army in the same turn to collect the spoils while the Phoenix is back home, rinse & repeat.

You can cloud trapeze into the target province on the same turn you have an army scheduled to move in: Cast something fun, like Wrathful Sky. Observe carnage. Move in to mop-up with regular troops when the Bird Boy bites it.

The Phoenix's advantage is that he can affordably purchase either a Fire or Air-9 bless, both of which are useful blessings as well as potent paths for battle magic (unless you're trying to use fire against Abysia), and his immortality allows him to be used as a kamikaze fighter. The VQ's immortality is a safety net: The Phoenix's immortality is a modus operandi: If you're not dying a lot, you're probably missing the point. Wrathful Sky the crap out of things, then blow up on them with Phoenix Pyre.

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by Teraswaerto:
The Phoenix has many problems. Poor slots, narrow or expensive paths. Fire Darts does not a SC make. I'm not saying it isn't good, only not anywhere near the VQ.

A Lich costs the same as a VQ, but lacks most of her abilities.

The lack of item slots is not that big a drawback on immortal combat pretenders, if you put a heap of items on an immortal you are 'compromising' its expendability, especially the flying ones which can quickly get back to the front if slain.