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[Tuidjy]

I do not want a restart. I do not see what that
would change except waste some more time. I do
no believe that Norfleet has done more than
disable a few starting locations, and even if he
had given himself every single spell and gem at
the start, I would still rather play the game than
not. I cannot understand why it matters. I do
not get 1cm shorter every time I fail to win a
game of Dominions II.

As for him playing under a different name, and
talking with other people about the game, I find
it slightly off-taste, but more because of what
it says about his need to hear about himself,
than because of an in-game advantage.

So, lets get on with it?

[Vynd]

While I understand the sentiments of the people who want to just get on with this game already, I think you're overlooking a serious problem: Graeme, I think Zapmeister, and quite possibly others, don't want to play anymore. Better to restart without them, I think, than continue as is, have them drop out, and end up with lots of AI players right out of the gate.

Nor do I think it is particularly unreasonable of people to decide they don't want to play with Norfleet after hearing about this other incident. He lied. He behaved unsportingly. He abused other people's trust. People have every right to be upset about that sort of behavior and decide not to associate with someone who engages in it. Really, it's only to be expected. And even for folks like me who had no stake in this Fire and Ice game, it makes it rather difficult to trust the man.

[Reverend Zombie]

Originally posted by Tris:
PLEASE explain all this, Norfleet. I'd much rather think everyone was a nice person...

Please see my signature.

[vigabrand]

I'd rather get on with the game. I have no problem with this incident as it doesn't show cheating. Underhanded trickery maybe, but not cheating. If you don't want your plans getting out, don't tell anyone. This is the internet where everyone is anonymous. I'm not saying you deserved it, but in the land of anonymity, I tend to keep my secrets to myself. I also understand that certain people may not want to play with someone who would do this, that is fine too. I have no problem with that. But the fact is, he didn't cheat. Until I hear of actual cheating or discover through my own interaction with Norfleet that he is a cheater, then I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as far as manipulating the map. I won't trust him in game, but then again I don't really trust anyone. Once again, I say play on.

Vig

[Yvelina]

I vote for keeping the game going. Do you guys really think that Norfleet cheated? I am sure that he can just let someone whom everyone else trusts just look at his game.

[Tris]

If deliberately misleading players as to your identity, and using their trust to gain information to use against them in a game you are actually playing in isn't cheating...

...you live in a different world to mine.

Here's some steroids, Good luck in Athens.

[Stormbinder]

I am glad that people see the Norfleet's behavior for what it worth.

Norfleet's excuses are laughable and he knows it of course. The issue is not that he had joined the game under alias and spoiled it, despite the fact that homerules were clearly created to prevent abusive norfleet's style of gameplay. It is not even than he had been deceived people on IRC channel throughout the game by listening to their plans against him without telling them so.

But the fact that he continuously and deliberately pumped his in-game neighbors for information about their plans and wars against his nation, while hiding ubder alias, is truly, as Tris said, sickable.


Than, when he was finally forced to "admit" that Pakhar is "Apprentice" of Norfleet, but claimed that Norfleet didn't give Pakhar any advice, he said on our Ice and Fire thread as a Pakhar:

quote:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Why in the world would Norfleet ask such questions from caelum's neigbors while hiding the fact that he knows Caelum's player and he is in fact his favorite purpil, if Norfleet would be just observing Pakhar performance?!?

Originally posted by Pakhar Njal:

I find that this [Norflett's] behavior is perfectly normal from him. He tends to be a rather keen spectator on events like this.

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Keen observer, huh? Very keen indeed. And cheating and dishonorable as well.


P.S. to Cainhill: As for my rudeness to Norfleet, you know very well that I was always very polite to him on the IRC channel throughout our game. It's only on the Last day of "Ice and Fire" when he "admited" that he was deceiving us all along by telling that he didn't know Pakhar (he even asked us "Who is playing Caelum?" ), when in fact he was his "apprentice" and he "admited "that he was giving continious advice to Pakhar thorughout the game, while asking as about our plans about his nations, than I've snaped and said to him "STFU" when he kept interrupiting our discussion what to do in the game that he, as both Norfleet and Pakhar, have spoiled. Of course I was very pissed off at him at that point. Who wouldn't be?!?

What looks strange to me is that you have accursed me several times pub;ickly that it was my fault that I've admited "Norfleet's ringer" in our game. Now you are saying than you have know that Pkahar was Norfleet all along. I wished you would kept your facts straight instead of for some reason trying to protect Norfleet.

[ May 24, 2004, 20:39: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]