Worst Summon ??

[calmon]

Air Magic (like Fire) isn't a summon-path so Draconians are good enough. The queens are unique and the draconians are the best alternative. At least if you want to invest airgems for summonings.

[ May 18, 2004, 10:40: Message edited by: calmon ]

[Teraswaerto]

I used Hama Dryads once to defend against Ulm, who was trying to storm my castle. Awe works well on low morale Ulmish troops, steal strenght negates armor, and eventually the Ulmish army routed. Of course, if Ulm had had archers the Dryads would've been toast.

[PrinzMegaherz]

ALL VINE OGRE army... that wouldn't be so hot. However, combined as something ELSE the enemy must deal with, along with whatever else you have, vine ogres can make a big difference, especially because they don't use food, are fairly fast, and you get a lot of toughness for every spare ordinary leadership point you have.

I don't think vine ogres are bad. My Last game as Man used lots of them (30 Ogres + 70 Longbows for most armies), but again, summoning 3 of them is a very slow process... I like troll kings court. even though it might be too expensive, it is fast.

[Vynd]

Originally posted by Kel:
Much like, in other threads, where invicible != unbalanced...

Worst summon != Useless.

- Kel

Yes, I concur! Best of/Worst of lists are a time honored American pastime! There's no reason I can see why people shouldn't voice their opinions about which summons are the worst. Gandalf may be right that no summon is useless, but some are definitely better than others. And if someone thinks that Ice Devils are a terrible summon because he's never figured out how to use them properly, then let him voice his opinion and benefit from the collective wisdom of forum.

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally posted by Vynd:

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Originally posted by Kel:
Much like, in other threads, where invicible != unbalanced...

Worst summon != Useless.

- Kel

Yes, I concur! Best of/Worst of lists are a time honored American pastime! There's no reason I can see why people shouldn't voice their opinions about which summons are the worst.

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The symbol = means equal. The symbol != is programmer-speak for not-equal.

My real problem with the conversation is that there is never a "best" or a "worst". In any conversation on any subject. Especially in something that allows this much diference of opinion.

Maybe if it was "worst for combat" or "worst for Ermor" or "worst for cost" then it would be a debate. But a flat "worst" or "best" is going to be wrong (for someone, and right for others)

[ May 18, 2004, 17:41: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

[Vynd]

Hmm, well now that I look at it again I'm not sure what Kel was trying to say with "invincible != unbalanced." A sarcastic comment, perhaps. But I certainly understood the "worst != useless" to mean "worst does not equal useless." And that's the part I was agreeing with. Just because some folks think that that Corpse Man, or some Soulless, is the worst summon in the game doesn't necessarily mean they are saying it is useless. So why come down on us for registering our opinions?

I totally agree with you Gandalf that there is no such thing as an absolute "Best" or "Worst." Best and Worst are subjective terms. But for this very reason I took the question of "Worst summon?" to be a subjective one, and I think most everyone else did too. Is there something inherently wrong with our registering subjective opinions, on anything? Personally, I think not.

[ May 19, 2004, 00:23: Message edited by: Vynd ]

[HotNifeThruButr]

I'd say something, but then I'd be echoing Potatoman.

BTW, I've never actually used Celestial Servants. I mean, they might be good with an armor buff, but I'll be damned if anything but my Pretender can actually summon them without Emps.