This game is an expensive coaster

LeTharg · #1 May 26th, 2001, 03:41 PM

I remember an article in one of the gaming magazines in which a columnist said that the constant bickering over trivia was killing the niche strategy market. Now I'm new to the turn-based strategy world; SEIV is my first such game so I don't know how it is with other games. But I can see that the profits from niche games must be tiny (and are much more likely to be losses). If we want these games to prosper or even to exist we need to be supportive and understanding. For the most part, this is a very supportive and understanding community.

Law suits are very expensive in time, money and mental energy. A law suit could easily cause a game to cease to exist. I really would like the SE series to continue because I'm having so much fun playing PBEM.

I think we all want the same thing: gaming goodness and fun. I also think some of us have chosen tactics that are detrimental to that end. Unless the game being played is not computer based...

Kagetora · #2 May 26th, 2001, 04:33 PM

SO GO PLAY WITH YOUR HUMAN FRIENDS ALREADY!<<<<

Look I understand okay? You all are arguing with BS logic. If I order a gun from a company and they send me a hammer instead. You can't tell me I shouldn't be pissed because I can still defend myself with a hammer. It's not the same thing.

Kagetora · #3 May 26th, 2001, 04:46 PM

I remember an article in one of the gaming magazines in which a columnist said that the constant bickering over trivia was killing the niche strategy market.<<<<

I understand where you are coming from. But, if I hire a contractor to remodel my kitchen and I pay him up front and he doesn't put any hardware on any of the drawers or cabinets, that is trivia to you because it isn't your kitchen. However, if it was your kitchen you would feel no remorse about sueing the person to get him to finish the job, nor would you worry you might put a contractor out of business either. Just because these people make something that is entertainment and we like doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to certain standards of ethics. They get away with exaggerating and outright lying about their products far too much already and I am not just talking about this company or game in particular. How many games do you buy that you are really satisfied with? That do exactly what they say or that have adequate AI? Very very few. You can't misrepresent your product and then sell it, that is fraud. There is absolutely no difference legally between them saying something on this site, in an email, in the newletter or advertising it on the game box or a tv commercial. That is a verbal contract that must be abided by.

Resident Alien · #4 May 26th, 2001, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
SO GO PLAY WITH YOUR HUMAN FRIENDS ALREADY!<<<<

Look I understand okay? You all are arguing with BS logic. If I order a gun from a company and they send me a hammer instead. You can't tell me I shouldn't be pissed because I can still defend myself with a hammer. It's not the same thing.

If you ordered a gun and got a hammer you would indeed have a good case. If you order a computer game and get a computer game.... The comparison doesn't fly.

You bought the game based on the fact that it might get TCP/IP sometime in the future, it hasn't yet but it might one day so you are SOL for the moment. You can be patient and wait, or forget the whole thing, sell the game on e-bay, take Shrapnel offered game, if you push it enough maybe get your money back etc. Not un-reasonable options.

How many hours have you played SE4? I don't believe you didn't enjoy playing at least one game vs the AI at the start. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting. I guess you received some value for that original $40 - $10 or $20 at least.

Personally I could spend $40 on sushi and beer in an hour. TCP/IP or not I think I have recieved a reasonable return on my original investment of $40 over the Last 9 months or so. I played SE3, SE4 and hope to play SE5 in future. $40 every couple of years seems a very reasonable investment to me.

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ps. The kitchen analogy is also an over the top and exagerated comparison.

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geoschmo · #5 May 26th, 2001, 05:01 PM

Your analogy is flawed, K. (And that's not a personal attack, simply a debating terminology here) You got the gun that was advertised. The package was clearly labeled that the gun did not include a telescopic sight at this time, but that they might in the future. And you have decided to read this as a promise when no promise was ever stated, only a possiblity.

However, it is good to see you express the thought that you might try some of the mods in the future. I think this will greatly improve your enjoyment of the game.

Also if you would like to check out http://seiv.pbw.cc I would be happy to oblige you with a game against real live humans. It's not as fast as TCP/IP I guess, but I have a game there that is up to turn 45 in three weeks. At this rate we should be well past 100 turns in 6 months.

Geo

mottlee · #6 May 26th, 2001, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
I am not Bill B. I am assuming you think I am because we share an email address purely as a junk mail dump. However, so far the only thing you did to me personally other than not complete this game I paid for, is give out my real name on another board. I think that was foolish, misplaced and wrong but it is unlikely to cause me any suffering. I also would point out I have never shouted or called anybody a name least of all you. However, you enraged my friend and he has actually obtained an attorney. Not sure where that might lead yet. However, are you offering me this game? Are you offering it to him? Both of us? Not sure he would want you to know what his actual name is which you would if he responded to this. I will have to ask him.

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IF you share an E-mail address YOU must take take some of the falt in this also for there is no way to tell just WHO is sending E-mails IF you share one (also you can get into a lot of hot water)(and lots of stink too)

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Kagetora · #7 May 26th, 2001, 05:18 PM

IF you share an E-mail address YOU must take take some of the falt in this also for there is no way to tell just WHO is sending E-mails IF you share one (also you can get into a lot of hot water)(and lots of stink too<<<<<

No you misunderstand. I don't actually use that address to send any email, neither does he. We just put that address in when asked for on Boards and such because a lot of places Online take that address and put you on the junk email list of the earth. I never even log on that address nor do I read any of the mail that goes there. It never crossed my mind somebody like Richard might do what he did and misunderstand. He shouldn't have done it in the first place.