This game is an expensive coaster

Kagetora · #1 May 26th, 2001, 04:46 PM

I remember an article in one of the gaming magazines in which a columnist said that the constant bickering over trivia was killing the niche strategy market.<<<<

I understand where you are coming from. But, if I hire a contractor to remodel my kitchen and I pay him up front and he doesn't put any hardware on any of the drawers or cabinets, that is trivia to you because it isn't your kitchen. However, if it was your kitchen you would feel no remorse about sueing the person to get him to finish the job, nor would you worry you might put a contractor out of business either. Just because these people make something that is entertainment and we like doesn't mean they shouldn't be held to certain standards of ethics. They get away with exaggerating and outright lying about their products far too much already and I am not just talking about this company or game in particular. How many games do you buy that you are really satisfied with? That do exactly what they say or that have adequate AI? Very very few. You can't misrepresent your product and then sell it, that is fraud. There is absolutely no difference legally between them saying something on this site, in an email, in the newletter or advertising it on the game box or a tv commercial. That is a verbal contract that must be abided by.

Resident Alien · #2 May 26th, 2001, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
SO GO PLAY WITH YOUR HUMAN FRIENDS ALREADY!<<<<

Look I understand okay? You all are arguing with BS logic. If I order a gun from a company and they send me a hammer instead. You can't tell me I shouldn't be pissed because I can still defend myself with a hammer. It's not the same thing.

If you ordered a gun and got a hammer you would indeed have a good case. If you order a computer game and get a computer game.... The comparison doesn't fly.

You bought the game based on the fact that it might get TCP/IP sometime in the future, it hasn't yet but it might one day so you are SOL for the moment. You can be patient and wait, or forget the whole thing, sell the game on e-bay, take Shrapnel offered game, if you push it enough maybe get your money back etc. Not un-reasonable options.

How many hours have you played SE4? I don't believe you didn't enjoy playing at least one game vs the AI at the start. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting. I guess you received some value for that original $40 - $10 or $20 at least.

Personally I could spend $40 on sushi and beer in an hour. TCP/IP or not I think I have recieved a reasonable return on my original investment of $40 over the Last 9 months or so. I played SE3, SE4 and hope to play SE5 in future. $40 every couple of years seems a very reasonable investment to me.

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ps. The kitchen analogy is also an over the top and exagerated comparison.

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geoschmo · #3 May 26th, 2001, 05:01 PM

Your analogy is flawed, K. (And that's not a personal attack, simply a debating terminology here) You got the gun that was advertised. The package was clearly labeled that the gun did not include a telescopic sight at this time, but that they might in the future. And you have decided to read this as a promise when no promise was ever stated, only a possiblity.

However, it is good to see you express the thought that you might try some of the mods in the future. I think this will greatly improve your enjoyment of the game.

Also if you would like to check out http://seiv.pbw.cc I would be happy to oblige you with a game against real live humans. It's not as fast as TCP/IP I guess, but I have a game there that is up to turn 45 in three weeks. At this rate we should be well past 100 turns in 6 months.

Geo

mottlee · #4 May 26th, 2001, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Kagetora:
I am not Bill B. I am assuming you think I am because we share an email address purely as a junk mail dump. However, so far the only thing you did to me personally other than not complete this game I paid for, is give out my real name on another board. I think that was foolish, misplaced and wrong but it is unlikely to cause me any suffering. I also would point out I have never shouted or called anybody a name least of all you. However, you enraged my friend and he has actually obtained an attorney. Not sure where that might lead yet. However, are you offering me this game? Are you offering it to him? Both of us? Not sure he would want you to know what his actual name is which you would if he responded to this. I will have to ask him.

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IF you share an E-mail address YOU must take take some of the falt in this also for there is no way to tell just WHO is sending E-mails IF you share one (also you can get into a lot of hot water)(and lots of stink too)

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Kagetora · #5 May 26th, 2001, 05:18 PM

IF you share an E-mail address YOU must take take some of the falt in this also for there is no way to tell just WHO is sending E-mails IF you share one (also you can get into a lot of hot water)(and lots of stink too<<<<<

No you misunderstand. I don't actually use that address to send any email, neither does he. We just put that address in when asked for on Boards and such because a lot of places Online take that address and put you on the junk email list of the earth. I never even log on that address nor do I read any of the mail that goes there. It never crossed my mind somebody like Richard might do what he did and misunderstand. He shouldn't have done it in the first place.

LeTharg · #6 May 26th, 2001, 05:43 PM

Kagetora,
I've been thinking about your claim. If I was on a jury I would find against you. You can't use weak AI as a claim that you were ripped off since you had played the demo before purchasing and knew the state of the AI.

So your entire claim rests on the "promise" of TCP/IP. But you have presented no evidence in this thread that there was a promise of TCP/IP especially a promise with a definate date. I wasn't here then so I don't know but the other posters make it clear that there was no committment to TCP/IP. Instead there was a list of possible enhancements. User preferance for other enhancements has put TCP/IP way down the list.

I would find you guilty of being a foolish consumer however. If TCP/IP was so important to you, you should have waited to purchase until that was truly available. You seem to have familiarity with the software and game marketplace so your claim of taking a to-do list for a commitment seems disingenuous to me.

Resident Alien · #7 May 26th, 2001, 05:58 PM

quote:

Originally posted by Kagetora:
I am not Bill B. I am assuming you think I am because we share an email address purely as a junk mail dump. However, so far the only thing you did to me personally other than not complete this game I paid for, is give out my real name on another board. I think that was foolish, misplaced and wrong but it is unlikely to cause me any suffering. I also would point out I have never shouted or called anybody a name least of all you. However, you enraged my friend and he has actually obtained an attorney. Not sure where that might lead yet. However, are you offering me this game? Are you offering it to him? Both of us? Not sure he would want you to know what his actual name is which you would if he responded to this. I will have to ask him.

Originally posted by mottlee:
IF you share an E-mail address YOU must take take some of the falt in this also for there is no way to tell just WHO is sending E-mails IF you share one (also you can get into a lot of hot water)(and lots of stink too)

I would like to initiate a debate upon the Duality of the Kagetora/BillB entity.

Up to now the followers of the debate have on balance believed that there were two entities involved - mostly based on the forthright claims of K.

The two are:
1) BillB - a wildly inconsitent entity - swinging from saying what a great game this is, to suddenly "this sucks, I want my TCP/IP, I'm calling my lawyer". I postulate that this entity be labelled the "Dark Side" of the K/BB Duality.

2) Kagetora- consistantly demanding his perceived rights regardless of reasonableness and scale of $'s expended. Has maintained a consistant argument in face of many unbelievers. And fervently claims to not be BillB (and who in their right mind would want to be associated with BB's posting record?).

What is the evidence:

a) They share an e-mail account. For junk only K says.
b) Their opinions are very similar.
c) They do not post on the same web Boards at the same time.
d) However the tone of posting is subtely different.

After review of the circumstantial evidence this author will continue to believe in the separate nature of these two entities until decisive evidence is brought forward to prove they are one and the same.

However the many followers of the K/BB Duality theory will not be convinced.

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