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[JJ_Colorado]

Wow, tuna's explanation of clamming is shocking. 200 per turn is keeerazy income.

Prinz Megaherz - I think you should set an exact rule on VQ's and on clams. Just saying "don't overpower the game" leaves it really too open. If I take a VQ and beat someone in a couple of battles am I overpowering the game? If I build 30 clams am I overpowering the game? It should probably be something like:
1) no more than 10 clams owned by each country
2) no VQ's

Or something like that, or else anything goes in which case I'm taking a VQ and clamming. LOL.

John

[mnoracle]

Originally posted by JJ_Colorado:

1) no more than 10 clams owned by each country
2) no VQ's

Or something like that, or else anything goes in which case I'm taking a VQ and clamming. LOL.
John

From my point of view it's skill that decides outcome, not VQ or Clams. I have to admit I taked VQ but for Ulm this is thematic. But if you like, JJ_Colorado, i can change race to something different, for example Mictlan, do not castle, do not clam hoard, and i'll try to beat you even if you will use all this tricky techinques.
My point is that there is no definitly winning tactis unless you play versus seasoned vets, in this case almost all your tactics will be bad

[PrinzMegaherz]

I dont mind a vampire queen with strong blood and death magic, as you could expect from a vampire. I dont want VQ with other paths. That should solve the problem and make balanced enough to be played with.

Regarding Clam hoarding, I have no way of controlling how many clams are owned by each player. I have not experienced clam hoarding myself, so I am not sure whether it is as abusive as some people here mention or not. I am sure however, that using this strategy successfully needs a somewhat experienced player, and this is a low experience game, so those two things should exclude each other.

[JJ_Colorado]

Ok, so it sounds like we have only one house rule:

1) If you take a VQ she must have only blood and death to start.

I'm assuming that we can "empower" other paths once we get going.

Oh, btw, mnoracle - I'm not claiming that any strategy that I (I'm not very good) use is unbeatable, just that it gives a big advantage. It sounds to me like clamming and a VQ is a big advantage. Limiting a VQ's starting paths to blood and death should help. Hopefully only newbies in this game and as a newbie I think those are good strong strategies.

John

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally posted by Tuna-Fish:
...I was very tired both times i posted Anyway, that means I'm out.

No worries, mate!

[CUnknown]

So, how many clams are we allowed to have? I agree that you shouldn't just say "don't abuse them", let's at least have a vague boundary of how many is too many. Maybe somewhere around 20 is too many? Definately not 50 or more, right?

[Norfleet]

I'd say a good rule for defining the line between "hoarding" clams and "disposing of useless water gems" is when you are producing more than one clam through alchemized gems per turn. For instance, with a water gem income of 12, a production run of 1-2 clams per turn is "non-hoarding".