Sneak Attack, (an idea based upon Pearl Harbor)

Phier · #1 May 26th, 2001, 05:20 AM

Any movie which was worried about offending the Japanese over their actions in WWII and edits it accordingly is NOT historical. Some time read the history of the Japanese Empire in WWII, the things they did in China alone you can not forget once you read them. This isn't racist, I just don't like to see history rewritten.

As for your idea, thats basicly how I play my games anyways. Be buddy buddy until the fleets are in place and then fry them. I did run into a problem with it in my current game. I didn't have any sensors on my fleet and when I attacked his two battleships in his home system I found out it was his 26 battleships and dreds. Opps.

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sunzoner · #2 May 26th, 2001, 05:47 AM

While the world worries aboiut offending the Jap, they continue to rewrite history to reflect their "liberation" of Asia-Pacific and their "advancement" into China...
BTW, the AI should be able to send a message to player that goes along this line:
"[Ai empire] deplore all wars. We have not converted your planets to our side by use of intellegence. We are offended by your racist remarks!"

Atrocities · #3 May 26th, 2001, 06:30 AM

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Any movie which was worried about offending the Japanese over their actions in WWII and edits it accordingly is NOT historical. Some time read the history of the Japanese Empire in WWII, the things they did in China alone you can not forget once you read them. This isn't racist, I just don't like to see history rewritten.

To be honest with you, they did not edit what happened. They dipicited the FACTS that lead the Japanes to do what they did. They did not hide or alter the truth. In fact, there was a very bloody shoot out at the end of the movie that clearly showed the Japanize were not nice.

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Magnum357 · #4 May 26th, 2001, 07:20 AM

Hey Atrocities, that is a neat idea on a senario of sneak attack for SE4. It would be great for a short PBEM tournament game. See which player in your group can decisively win a war!

As for the movie, I haven't seen it yet, but I have to admit that I'm a bit skeptical if it is any good. I'm pretty critical on my war movies. I like them acurate, and I don't like them to be "chick flicks" (hey, its war! Theirs nothing romantic about warfare!). A few of my favorite war movies are "Tora, Tora, Tora", "Glory", "Gettysburg", and a few others. I hope your right Atrocities about the movie. I hope in my opinion that they did a good job with it.

PsychoTechFreak · #5 May 26th, 2001, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
... It would start out with an entirely explored galaxy, and the objective would be conquest. Of course, sensors to scan for cloaked ships would be excluded from this scenario as that would give too much of an advantage...

You just have to set omnipresent view to active and you are set. With this setup every sensor is completely worthless (bug?) and cloaking at the lowest level turns you absolutely invisible.

Best scenario to improve persecution mania.

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danjel · #6 May 26th, 2001, 11:42 AM

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Phier: Oh, come on.

There is two sides to every story. Yes the Japanese were absolutely vicious in China. I don't deny this.

Yet, I have a problem with people pointing out such stuff with complete ignorance as to the causes of WWII from the Japanese perspective.

In the late Edo period, the declining power of the Tokugawa shogunate allowed for an opportunity to be taken by outside powers. This opportunity was initially taken by the Americans, who sailed frigates into Tokyo bay and threatened the shogunate with bLasting the *%$# out of Edo, until the shogun allowed the Americans unrestricted trade (including Opium, but the Japanese never really took it up) in Japan. While trade restrictions remained, in some ways (mainly due to cultural resistance), do you believe this is a fair and decent way for a nation to act towards another nation?

That was soon followed by the disbanding of the warrior class in Japan, and the castration of power from the Japanese people. Since that time, until WWII, the Japanese had an extreme dislike of particularly Americans (which survives today, btw). This was the cause of the war between the Japanese and the allies.

What about after the second world war? The Japanese people, like all Asians, were subject to a whole range of racist attacks in the Western World (I'm personally most familiar with the "White Australia" immigration policy in Australia).

Yes, the Japanese committed a number of atrocities before and during the second world war. But, every country has commited crimes against humanity at some stage, even if one is ignorant of what their own country has done. Winners write history.

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I remember that I've seen a movie about how Japan was opened up by the black ships. It wrote the Americans as heroes, it was a complete joke..

I agree with whomever said that movies about war should be written without consideration as to whom it would politically offend.
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capnq · #7 May 26th, 2001, 06:33 PM

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Historically speaking, it is damned accurate, and damned compelling.

You're the first person I've seen describe _Pearl Harbor_ as historically accurate. What few opinions I've read about have accused it of exactly the opposite.

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human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
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