Mictlan dominion spread: Did I get it right?

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by tinkthank:
Thanks much sir.
So the capital does not, the prophet does not, and the temples do not, but the pretender does (at the normal rate). Good to know!

The pretender does not spread at the normal rate. The pretender spreads with a single full-strength temple check every turn, while all other pretenders get two full-strength temple checks, and one check as a regular temple.

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Elaborate please Graeme. What did you mean by full-strength temple check vs regular temple check?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Elaborate please Graeme. What did you mean by full-strength temple check vs regular temple check?

A full-strength temple check is the same thing as a temple check at a dominion strength of 10. A regular temple check is a temple check at your current dominion strength. I believe that each pretender gives two dominion 10 checks, and one check at their current dominion strength.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Elaborate please Graeme. What did you mean by full-strength temple check vs regular temple check?

A full-strength temple check is the same thing as a temple check at a dominion strength of 10. A regular temple check is a temple check at your current dominion strength. I believe that each pretender gives two dominion 10 checks, and one check at their current dominion strength.

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Ok, thank you. Do you know by any chance what type of progression is there between temple strength and dominion checks? For example - how much better full-strength temple check that, let's say, strength 1 temple check?

Personally I don't think it is linear, so stength 10 dominion check is not likely to be 10 times better than strength 1, based upon my observation. Does anybody happens toknow some numebrs/formulas for temple checks?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Ok, thank you. Do you know by any chance what type of progression is there between temple strength and dominion checks? For example - how much better full-strength temple check that, let's say, strength 1 temple check?

Haven't you read the dominion guide? It's located here.

Personally I don't think it is linear, so stength 10 dominion check is not likely to be 10 times better than strength 1, based upon my observation. Does anybody happens toknow some numebrs/formulas for temple checks?

Dominion strength of 1 is succesful 10% of the time. Dominion strength of 10 is successful 100% of the time.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Haven't you read the dominion guide? It's located here.

Generally speaking the answer RTFM is not considered to be a very polite one. I've read number of guides on Dom, official and none official ones. All of them were read a long time ago though, and I've been playing Dom2 ever since.

Also according to the guide you are wrong. You have said:

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:


each pretender gives two dominion 10 checks, and one check at their current dominion strength.

...while according to the quide, each pretender does "One automatic increase plus two temple checks". Also note that "automatic increase" is different from your "full stregth temple check", since temple check 10 always increase the dominion in *abjucent* province, while "automatic increase" can do it in the province itself, if dominion is less than 10.

Anyway, thanks for the link, now the matter is clear to me.

[ July 20, 2004, 21:39: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
Generally speaking the answer RTFM is not considered to be a very polite one.

Which is why I asked you if you had read it instead of telling you to read it.

Also according to the guide you are wrong.

Yes, that would be why I put the "I believe" qualifier in front of it.

Also note that "automatic increase" is different from your "full stregth temple check", since temple check 10 always increase the dominion in *abjucent* province, while "automatic increase" can do it in the province itself, if dominion is less than 10.

That isn't what the guide says, and is incorrect. A strength 10 temple will increase the dominion in its current province first, and if it that was already at 10 then the dominion can spread. Your pretender works in the same manner. There is also some mechanism that is not yet understood that causes the dominion spread that occurs in the early game before any individual province is maximized.

[Stormbinder]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

That isn't what the guide says, and is incorrect. A strength 10 temple will increase the dominion in its current province first, and if it that was already at 10 then the dominion can spread.

Yeah, but strenght 10 temple means that that it is already 10 in the province in temple, by definition. Therefore the spread will happen automatically, unless countered by enemy check. That's what I said in the first place. Therefore "automatic increase" can not be the same as full temple strngth check, again by definition. And there is one, not two of them, if the guide is correct.

Your pretender works in the same manner. There is also some mechanism that is not yet understood that causes the dominion spread that occurs in the early game before any individual province is maximized.

The Last paragraph in the quide that you have posted ling to speaks about it. Altough there are indeed no clear numbers, just general hints to how the formula works. But the point is, the is no need for the temple to be maximised before the dominion will spread. The guide says the the closer dominion is to the maximum, the mose chances are that it'l spread *instead* of increasing it by 1 in the temple province itself. It can aslo explain the difference between "automatic increase" and "temple 10 check".