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[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
Of course you are. You're nothing more than a teenager living in your parents house.

Meh, you say that, yet I don't see you doing much better. I think this is what we call "projection". Get a job, Graeme. Move out. Once you move out of the pampered world of being a student living in your parents' come, and try going hungry for a bit, you'll understand what I mean.

[ July 28, 2004, 23:12: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
Health care is NOT the same. My being a healthy person, or paying for my own damn treatment, does not, in any way, detract from anyone else's health and well-being.

You don't have much of an understanding of economics, do you. If you are not healthy, then you cannot produce economic output.

Shows how little you know about professional homeless people. They don't freeze for 8 months of the year.

No, it shows how ignorant you are of weather in any parts of the world outside of your own narrow little worldview.

If someone cannot be bothered to care even for himself, why should I care for him?

Because a person's life has value simply because of the fact that they are human. If you can't understand this basic fact, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.

[Norfleet]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Oh, wait a second! I've been out of work for over four months (laid off, Marine and programmer always employed for 22 years straight), I should be supporting Graeme and the welfare state! Yes! Someone should subsidize me for life - after all, if I can't find another tech job, god forbid I should get a job as a rentacop, prison guard, short order cook, or anything else that would be beneath me - it'd be a waste of my talents!

Amen. What a tragedy that would be. Because there's no worse fate than being a rent-a-cop or prison guard, eh? At least it beats "Would You Like Fries With That?". Look, Graeme. Another fictional characterization belonging to a teenager living in his parents' basement is disagreeing with you. Amazing! Or maybe we aren't all like you, you see?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Norfleet:
[QB]Meh, you say that, yet I don't see you doing much better. I think this is what we call "projection".

No, it's called observation. You haven't demonstrated a great deal of maturity, have no time committments, and have demonstrated that you are still stuck at the ethical level of a child. If you aren't actually a teenager then you definetly lead a sad existence.

Get a job, Graeme. Move out. Once you move out of the pampered world of being a student living in your parents' come, and try going hungry for a bit, you'll understand what I mean.

Why would I go hungry? I'm a graduate engineering student who hasn't lived with or depended on my parents for over six years. I have no debts, pay my bills every month, and could get any number of well-paying jobs if I decided to quit grad school.

[PrinzMegaherz]

Do you guys never sleep or spend your time anywhere else?

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Cainehill:
I've been out of work for over four months (laid off, Marine and programmer always employed for 22 years straight), I should be supporting Graeme and the welfare state!

What welfare state? I wasn't aware that the equivalent of making health insurance mandatory and universal was the equivalent of a welfare state. I'm not supporting a comfortable lifestyle for those people who don't want to work, and suggesting that I am is nothing more than a strawman. I am suggesting that a person should be guaranteed enough resources so that they aren't malnourished, as long as they don't waste those resources on anything that is unnecssary. If they want to waste that money, then yes, let them starve, but at least try and help their children so that they don't end up like their parents.

This is all really beside the real point though, which is that a universal health care system would do a great deal to help people. Many other industrialized nations manage to both spend less per person on health care, while maintaining a better overall quality of care, and still requiring people to cover the majority of the cost themselves in some way.

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by PrinzMegaherz:
Do you guys never sleep or spend your time anywhere else?

I'm writing programs that take several minutes to compile, while running simulations that take several hours/days to finish, so I have a fair amount of downtime.