Newbie questions

[Boron]

Originally posted by Norfleet:

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Originally posted by Boron:
so far imho pan cw , pythium and abysia are very worth being built around a vq

CW Pan is basically the successor to the Ermor VQ since it's the nation that still has a buttload of points to spend. Pythium is a somewhat more dubious choice due to the scale demands: As VQs are horrifically expensive, you have to give up a lot of scales to use one with Pythium, as Pythium tends to want decent scales to pay for the legionaires, which have moderate resource costs, ruling out the ability to get points from excessive sloth, and the neutral temperature preference, which means you don't have anywhere to really dump points. Abysia can work if you dump points into Death scale, and the innate Heat scale.

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a basic vq is quite cheap with pythium .
something like order 3 , sloth 3 , cold 1 , death 3 , misfortune 2 , magic 3 ( if you cancel magic 3 +120 points so better scales ) .
dominion 6-8 .
castle watchtower .

this works great so far . 2 provinces / turn .
1 per vq , 1 per body etheralized principles .

then accashic everything , swamps first .

i have to figure out some good midgame strats still .

but really good early game expander . if you pick the tough provinces ( knights etc. ) with your vq the principles take out the weak provinces without losses ( maximum 1-2 lost through bad dice luck ) .

so you get almost 2 provinces / turn and can then castle everything quick because of order 3 you have quite good income still .

[ August 01, 2004, 00:20: Message edited by: Boron ]

[Boron]

Originally posted by Boron:
something like order 3 , sloth 3 , cold 1 , death 3 , misfortune 2 , magic 3 ( if you cancel magic 3 +120 points so better scales ) .
dominion 6-8 .
castle watchtower .

lol quoting myself .

or if you keep the scales but take magic 0 + a wizard tower . with pythium this otherwise bad choice is a good early game booster .
you have already damn good researchers with your everywhere buildable theurgs .

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oh and btw i see no reason why ermor may take no nerfed down vq anymore .
together with the nerfing down of the healing orders on titans that decreases ermor from a funny and very thematical nation to a garbage nation .

[ August 01, 2004, 00:26: Message edited by: Boron ]

[Boron]

you can basically exchange pythium with arco .

finally caelum is a great vq race too .

[Huntsman]

Well, I've already sent my pretender file. I chose Earth Mother and I'm planning on going with high Order (for CW) and I suppose I'll use Revelers, indies, and summons too, rather than the Turmoil/Menaed strategy.

I plan on using stealth tactics as well since the civ is obviously well suited for it. I'll be running plenty of specs ops deepin enemy territory, cutting off supply lines and such.

[Boron]

Originally posted by GuildBoss:
Well, I've already sent my pretender file. I chose Earth Mother and I'm planning on going with high Order (for CW) and I suppose I'll use Revelers, indies, and summons too, rather than the Turmoil/Menaed strategy.

I plan on using stealth tactics as well since the civ is obviously well suited for it. I'll be running plenty of specs ops deepin enemy territory, cutting off supply lines and such.

what do you mean with : high order ( for CW ) ?

[Huntsman]

Originally posted by Boron:

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Originally posted by GuildBoss:
Well, I've already sent my pretender file. I chose Earth Mother and I'm planning on going with high Order (for CW) and I suppose I'll use Revelers, indies, and summons too, rather than the Turmoil/Menaed strategy.

I plan on using stealth tactics as well since the civ is obviously well suited for it. I'll be running plenty of specs ops deepin enemy territory, cutting off supply lines and such.

what do you mean with : high order ( for CW ) ?

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At first I thought CW was Centaur Warrior. More vernacular. *sigh* But after reading this again it looks like you guys are talking about Carrior...Woods? So nevermind.

[Cohen]

Great Mother isn't a good SC choice IMO, due to the trampling skill.
It could be useful against indipendant provinces, but later it's almost worthless.

Same for Stymphalian Wings, due to trample.
A smaller SC can take out easily the trampling one since the trampler doesn't use his draining life weapon.

Usually if the SC doesn't fly by it's own, the combo is Jade Armor (unless he's natural water magic) and Winged Shoes.