So how 'bout those Mets?

Days and days ago I Norfleet spoke to me in IRC saying he was tired of Dom2 and the drama/etc (During the entire Stormbinder v Norfleet Deathmatch or whatever it was during planning . I couldn't tell you which turn it was in that particular game but it says to me if you are tired of a game, and are not playing or don't intend to play or intend to play with another persona, you wouldn't care if you were caught cheating or not in that kind of circumstance. At least in my experience that is the case.

As for Norfleet not sending in his turn or 'defending himself' whatever conclusions you come up with are yours, there could be any number of reasons based on your own perspective, but the common consent is it didn't provide a majorly positive reaction.

[archaeolept]

I think the likely obsessive nature of it makes a certain truth of norfleet saying that it was not of his doing, that it was something beyond his control, which on the face of it seems a stretch.

[Zapmeister]

As for Norfleet not sending in his turn or 'defending himself' whatever conclusions you come up with are yours, there could be any number of reasons based on your own perspective, but the common consent is it didn't provide a majorly positive reaction.

Not sure what you mean by this. But I'm done on this topic, with my final comment being that if the possibility of fiddled files being sent to Illwinter is the only pro-Norfleet theory, then Esben Mose Hansen is part of the conspiracy:

Mose had made a copy of this file, in case Norfleet will try to "hack" it once again and he send it to Illwinter.

I mean. That no matter which way you look at it. Norfleet refusing to send his file or even continue discussion means there is no good way of looking at that refusal. Meaning it couldn't be construed as a Pro for Norfleet's Side of the Story.

I sincerely doubt Mose was apart of any conspiracy having to deal with this. Though, as I said before I find it very hard to see how you could cheat without the fatherland file, unless there is a way for a .trn or .2h to modify the structure of the fatherland to produce an effect.

It may be that there is some sort of ingame code weakness that allowed some in game command or combination of commands to produce some sort of gem production.

Or it could be a weakness in the Ebsen server and someone could hack into the server and adjust the fatherland file to their desire.

[archaeolept]

well, in one of the "Retarded" games on mosehansen, Norfleet was able to perform the eminently useful task of force-hosting the game (as one of the participants had dissappeared w/out going AI) - an option that was not available publicly, certainly. I always had to wonder about the security of esben's server after that.

[The_Tauren13]

well put, storm
i for one appreciate your work to expose norfleet, and have no doubt that he cheated
although your previous norfleet hating may seem to spoil your reputation, it just means you were the right man for the job to expose him (anyone seen I, Robot?)

It may be that there is some sort of ingame code weakness that allowed some in game command or combination of commands to produce some sort of gem production.

this is a possibility to be considered. with his parting words, norfleet called what happened a 'glitch'. he may mean he found some sort of bug that allowed him to produce these gems, and was simply extorting it.

[Mardagg]

first of all,big thanks to stormbinder for catching Norfleet.
As a matter of fact I never played a MP game ,where Norfleet stayed longer than a few turns before going AI.
Thats why I never believed that Norfleet used "different" methods in playing the game,even though several players I knew from former games warned we,that he may be cheating.I,thus,maintained neutral regarding this.

From my point of view,its clear that he cheated now:

1.Several players always thought this,which made me at least thinking about it.
2.In my recently started MP game,Norfleet left the game after we all got a cheat detection message about him,playing Caelum(unexplainable wealth increase,or something like that).
After all,this game has also master password activated,so there would have been possibilities to proof that he did not cheat(or otherway round).
3.Now we have incredible huge numbers,which are by NO means achievable by turn 23 through normal play.

Now,I cant understand though ,why there are still some people that dont believe in this and ,furthermore,are "hacking" on Stormbinder instead of being grateful for the time he(and others) have invested to catch a cheater.
Also I find it very sad,that some Posts apparently are deleted,as it seems even those of the developers.
IMO,the explanations for this are not sufficient.
This is a serious theme,not just a normal topic, and all people should be allowed to post their opinions,as long as they are not extremely offending,and,more important,to read all other opinions.
IMO,the topics about this should stay open for at least a week or so,deleting it after this period would be ok,if felt necessary .
I seriously think,that,in this special case, deleting lots of replies and closing whole topics will hurt the communitiy a lot more,than just letting everyone post what he wants to say,at least for a while.

Even if we dont know,how he was able to do it,we have only 2 possibilities:

1.Norfleet or a friend of him did manipualte the game.
2.Unlikely,but:
Someone else manipulated the game,so that Norfleet can be called a cheater,at Last.

Regarding 1.:

It may be that he was exploiting a bug here,or manipulating the turn files,or hacking into the Mosehansen server.
Regardless what he did,its always cheating by intention.
He always had the possibility to contact Illwinter, and tell them about what he is able to do,to prevent this in further games.

Regarding 2.:

To achieve those numbers,which are now revealed,he had to cheat right from the start of the game,most likely every turn.
So,even if it was someone else,who altered the game so that he got lots of gems every turn,Norfleet didnt tell anybody of this and just used it to his advantage.
This is also cheating,nothing more and nothing less.