NGC4 PBW Game News..

[Roanon]

Indeed, we did not inform the Amon'krie about our problems with the Federation. We apologize for this, we probably should have raised our voice earler. But this has begun as a conflict within the anti-MARZen alliance, openly discussed between President Hippocrates and us with the Aether Lords, Manticores, True Republic being informed simultaneously. We did not want to whine about our problems to other races, but were determined to solve them on our own. We just informed the Aether Lords in more intimate detail, they being one of the most active parts in this alliance, hoping they would be able to get words of wisdom to the Federation. Unfortunately it looks like words of unwisdom have been fed to them before, resulting in this regrettable war, making our efforts obsolete from the start. We did not know this.

While we have tried to maintain contacts to the Amon'krie in the past, informing them of the current problems and trying to involve them in our politics, we never received satisfactory responses, just short Messages more or less acknowledging that our message has been received and read, but no reaction or words about their own situation. We were not informed in any way about closer than normal relations to the Federation, we just suddenly saw a military alliance had quietly been formed. We never received announcments or reason for this. We had to assume this was just another step from the Federation in direction of forming an all-surrounding threat to our empire, totally in line with their current policy against us.

So, maybe there just has been a misunderstanding between our empires. Maybe we have not done the utmost to improve our relations, but we have tried, and we must point out that this is more than we can say from you. We also were never informed about the now revealed baneful relations to the Narn, and you did not attack until after they were totally crushed. Thousands of warships should have been able to attack earlier, especially when the Narn were involved in desparate fights at the other end of their empire. Only when the Narn were dead, massive aquisitions of territory have been made, more than by the victors and rightful inheritants of that territory. Therefore the term vulture which, we agree here, applies to more than one. Our wisdom has never led us to occupy planets from races that we did not attack ourselves.

If you are worried about our production, you may look at your own plus your trades especially from us - it is not very far from that, considering that we do not get that much in trade income ourself. Only recently a gap has opend. But this is at least partially your own fault - we have invested in peaceful development, increasing health, safety and productivity of our citizens. We did not construct thousands of warships. Rather, we are trying to build a ringworld in our home system as a monument for our peaceful expansion and to be admired for our technological achivements. This has been our main joy and pride up to now, not been the building of huge warfleets to threaten our neighbors or other wise peaceful empires.

If the Amon'krie force us to change this policy we will do, reluctantly. But we can do. Still, we will not unleash this power on the whole galaxy. We will still listen to all the smaller empires and their cries for help, and fight greed and pure aggression against minors who are unable to defend, wherever and whenever possible. It is an easy excuse to blame the former leader for atrocities done to the Narrewians, but was this a single man or just a representative of the peoples general attitude? While we are happy to hear your words about improved relations to the Narrewians, they can continue to trust in us as a reliable guardian of their most basic interests, guaranteeing their survival after even the tiniest traces of evil races like the Narn or MAR-Zen have vanished forever.

[AMF]

The words of the Primeval are curious, and largely misrepresentations.

We'll dissect and show their falsehoods later. For now, we just want to also point out that we are not asking for assistance because they Primeval are evil, but becuase they are taking over the entire quadrant and will become unstoppable if not met now.

For us, this is a matter of history and righteousness. We fight to avenge broken allies and the murder of billions of humans.

For others, it is a matter of survival - for if the Primeval are not stopped now, they will come for you too, eventually, and they will be unstoppable then.

Aether

[Randallw]

Well the bug is gone. I don't dispute that it was unfair to the Primeval, but it is unfortunate that I am now in a war I didn't ask for and that the Primeval have gone on the offensive attacking some of my ships that they did not have reason to attack (or knowledge of) before.

[Ruatha]

The turn was run with the same orders as previous with the addition of the war declaration.

[Randallw]

well it does appear that some of his ships moved into the same space as some of my mine. In the previous turn if they had done that my warships there would have had their turkey shoot. This time they moved there after the war declaration.

Edit: For the purpose of clarification I will admit I did break the treaty (can't be supporting you while you fight my allies ), but I never actually declared war. The battles are because I didn't move some of my ships away when I removed our treaty. I see what you mean though. I suppose in the nebula nothing happened before because you were cloaked. When you declared war I suppose although they were cloaked they attacked. I thought you had to uncloak manually to ever attack?.

[Roanon]

Please specify where, I am sure it can be explained. Remember, the curious fightings in the bugged turn caused a lot of my fleets to halt due to one or more disabled ship unable to move. Now the fleets wiped away the lone attacking cruisers without suffering any adverse effects and were able to move on as planned.

Edit to answer the edit :
We can return to no treaty without problems if you wish. Ships and mines behave the same during war or no treaty, so apart from the diplomatic effect - which can be remedied - there is no difference.
Yes, cloaked ships do not attack. But in the nebula, I had not cloaked my ships (the earth2000 captured cruiser design can't cloak anyway), because I intended to be able to fight if I was attacked.
So what kept us from fighting were your missing sensors that did not enable you to see my ships even if they were uncloaked, so you did not initiate combat. Now my ships also check for initiating combat where not cloaked, and my sensors not being missing combat happend as it would have before if my ships had not been bugged.

[Randallw]

right, of course it was the nebula cloaking your ships. I assumed I would at least see ships in the same sector even in the nebula, obviously not. Well thats all cleared up.
To explain my replying in edit. I wrote the reply while Roanon was posting his so he had a reply before my initial reply. Since I don't believe in posting twice in a row I edit my Posts when they are Last.

[Roanon]

Randallw, as I have been attacked by your and the Aether Lord's ships, I have assumed you have declared war as they did, causing the same bug as he. If you didn't break the treaty, it's even more strange than I thought. Lost/bugged Messages seem to be a reasonable explanation, but broken treaties without any side breaking it?
Are you absolutely sure you did not declare war or break the treaty? Maybe you forgot that you changed your turn on PBW after doing it first, maybe attacking on the Aether Lord's demand even if you did not really want? If you really did not order the attacks, maybe we should stop the turn again and try to find out what happend there, and find a way to fix it.

As for the new attacks, the bug caused only your ships to attack. So in the nebula where my uncloaked ships saw yours due to sensors but you didn't see mine, no combat was initiated - this being another effect of the bug. What happend now should have happend before, is correct programm behaviour and not effect of changed orders or something like that.