2004 Presidential Election.

Fyron · #1 August 17th, 2004, 07:00 PM

You forgot the Libertarians. :P

Also, I just submitted a vote for everyone... You need only one question with 4 options, not 4 questions with 1 option each.

PvK · #2 August 17th, 2004, 07:42 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
You forgot the Libertarians. :P

Absolutely.

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Also, I just submitted a vote for everyone... You need only one question with 4 options, not 4 questions with 1 option each.

Actually, it's the tyrranical US voting system that is wrong here. If only we could vote for all the candidates we liked, and not only for the one we thought might beat the candidate we dread.

PvK

Ed Kolis · #3 August 17th, 2004, 10:19 PM

Bin Laden for president... he's done more to change the US than any other person alive [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Gandalf Parker · #4 August 18th, 2004, 01:07 AM

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Actually, it's the tyrranical US voting system that is wrong here. If only we could vote for all the candidates we liked, and not only for the one we thought might beat the candidate we dread.

PvK

Yeah we send 51 to the USA Beauty Pageant, and 2 or 3 for Presient? Its insane. Every state should send someone, dressed in some outfit representing their state.

FLX · #5 August 18th, 2004, 07:42 AM

I'm starting to think that you really deserve watherver happens to you. Think before voting, that's all. You live in a war/fear-of-war based economy, doing what you want, not signing any treaty that could make this a little fairer (i.e. the nuclear dissarming, the Kyoto protocols, etc...). Not Kerry nor Bush will improve this situation, i'm sure. Keeping growing hate amongst everybody else is dangerous. An old spanish proverb says: Breed crows and they will rip your eyes.

Randallw · #6 August 18th, 2004, 09:08 AM

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[b] An old spanish proverb says: Breed crows and they will rip your eyes.

that is a strange proverb. I could understand "Breed wolves" but Cows?.

Gozra · #7 August 18th, 2004, 09:51 AM

I am reading A history of the American Navy in WWII. Mahan's I believe. I was stunned by the preface. My Wife and I visited the Battleship North Carolin in Wilimington North Carolina I remember telling her That For a Battleship with 16 inch guns it was really a small ship. The in the preface Of the Navy history book I am reading it pointed out that prior to WWII the Peace activists put pressure on The US to sign treaties with the other big powers to limit the size and makeup of the navies then being built. Well many of the other Countries proceeded to 'Cheat'(the US did not) So when WWII broke out the US had the wimpiest fleet because The 'Be nice at all cost' crowd had succeeded in tying the hands of the US navy.
What I think this boils down to is subscribing to the view that everyone will do what is best for everyone else will just get you kicked in the teeth and stomped on. IT has been made abundantly clear that there are people/organizations that intend to destroy The US and Freedom.
And yes we could have a better system that the 2 party system And I hate voting against someone as I would rather be voting for someone. At any rate I am going to hold my nose and vote for Bush.

Unknown_Enemy · #8 August 18th, 2004, 11:07 AM

I just hope Bush will get thrown out as his father so I'll be able to keep saying "I love USA" without getting a bashing.

**running the hell out of the thread before the flamewar***

Renegade 13 · #9 August 18th, 2004, 12:53 PM

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Gozra said:
IT has been made abundantly clear that there are people/organizations that intend to destroy The US and Freedom.

Two points:

1. It isn't really the US that those people/organizations are attacking, its the entire western philosophy and civilization. The US is only attacked more than other western countries due to its increased influence, and the fact that it is the epitome of what those anti-Western people hate. There are in fact other countries threatened by terrorists, such as Britain, Canada, and any other western country.

2. You mentioned "The US and Freedom" as though they were inseparable concepts, as though the US is the only "free" country. It is not, and Freedom could exist without the US, and the US could exist without freedom. They are not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, with some of the laws that have been enacted in the US, such as the Patriot Act (that's what its called isn't it?), I'd say that Canada is much more a "free" country than the US is now.

I'm not intending to step on any toes here, or offend anyone, I just felt I had to state my opinion. Note that it is NOT anti-US. Thanks.

Instar · #10 October 28th, 2004, 01:35 AM

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Gozra said:
I am reading A history of the American Navy in WWII. Mahan's I believe. I was stunned by the preface. My Wife and I visited the Battleship North Carolin in Wilimington North Carolina I remember telling her That For a Battleship with 16 inch guns it was really a small ship. The in the preface Of the Navy history book I am reading it pointed out that prior to WWII the Peace activists put pressure on The US to sign treaties with the other big powers to limit the size and makeup of the navies then being built. Well many of the other Countries proceeded to 'Cheat'(the US did not) So when WWII broke out the US had the wimpiest fleet because The 'Be nice at all cost' crowd had succeeded in tying the hands of the US navy.
What I think this boils down to is subscribing to the view that everyone will do what is best for everyone else will just get you kicked in the teeth and stomped on.

The truth of the matter is that the US got the good end of the treaty. The ratio was like for every 2 tons Japan got, the US got 5 tons. Britain and France got 4 or 5 as well. More info:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Was...n_Naval_Treaty

The treaty was signed in 1922, and was probably ignored by everyone by the late 1930s. In fact, the treaty was ended in 1936, leaving enough time for all navies involved to grow.

Oh, and I voted Kerry (absentee ballot) because all of Bush's positions are immoral and I disagree with all of his positions.