Dammit

[The_Tauren13]

i for one dont think it should be changed, i just think its a bit unrealistic.

and you, arryn, have obviously never played warcraft III

[magnate]

No I'm sorry, you shouldn't have to send your commanders berserk just to avoid them fleeing when the chaff is killed. I'm very upset that even two SCs will flee when a chaff regiment is routed.

Berserk is fine when you are not in any danger of losing, but flying SCs need to be able to flee if they are severely damaged and/or fatigued, which is not possible if they are berserk.

This is wrong wrong wrong. Someone give me a good argument why it can't be changed so that only the commander of the chaff regiment routs with his troops. So commanders without troops will only rout when they themselves are wounded/fatigued.

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[Graeme Dice]

Someone give me a good argument why it can't be changed so that only the commander of the chaff regiment routs with his troops.

Do you really want all your human mages to stick around on the battlefield when the rest of the army runs away past them?

The best solution would be a switch that could force commanders to only rout if they personally fail a morale check, instead of routing on the army rout conditions. This would have the added benefit of making minicombatants more likely to take down a single supercombatant if one of them dies.

[Arryn]

The_Tauren13 said:
and you, arryn, have obviously never played warcraft III

Really? Strange, since I do have the game installed on my system (well, it actually belongs to a friend of my BF's), and played it through Act 1 Chapter 6 before getting annoyed with it. Obviously, you should be a bit more careful about the ASSumptions you make and whom to.

[The_Tauren13]

Arryn said:
Really? Strange, since I do have the game installed on my system

ive noticed that fans of underated strategy games that havent recieved the popularity they deserve, such as dominions II, have a tendency to diss on the popular games, refusing to admit that they, too, are good

dont mind me... just a pet peeve i guess.

[Arryn]

The_Tauren13 said:
ive noticed that fans of underated strategy games that havent recieved the popularity they deserve, such as dominions II

Dom 2 is not "underated". It received glowing reviews from both CG and CGW magazines (which was what prompted me to check out the demo). The only thing "underated" about Dom 2 is the lack of appreciation the devs get for a game they basically did/do in their spare time. As for popularity, TBS strategy games in general do not appeal to the "me now" generation of console twitch gamers, which is fine by me as I really don't care much for the opinions of kids who hadn't even been born yet when U.S. soldiers were coming home in body bags from a "police action" called Vietnam.

The_Tauren13 said:
have a tendency to diss on the popular games, refusing to admit that they, too, are good

There are hordes of games that are popular and are still crap. Deus Ex:IW is a perfect example. Scratch beneath the pretty graphics of Doom 3 and what do you find? A crappy game. Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Though quality sometimes helps spur popularity.

The_Tauren13 said:
dont mind me...

Is that an invitation to ignore you?

[magnate]

Arryn said:

Dom 2 is not "underated". It received glowing reviews from both CG and CGW magazines (which was what prompted me to check out the demo). The only thing "underated" about Dom 2 is the lack of appreciation the devs get for a game they basically did/do in their spare time.

Woah - while not wishing to assist you in hijacking this thread, I can't help but ask, what lack of appreciation? I think Dom2 is the most awesome game I've ever played, the only worthy successor to MoM, right up there with Civ1 and Elite etc. etc. etc., and I'm fairly sure thousands of other people do too, judging by this board alone.

The fact that people gripe about bugs or features they don't like does not, I hope, count as failing to appreciate IW's achievement. If you believe in the power of word of mouth (look at GalCiv), they're not underrated at all. Then there's the glowing reviews. Is there some sort of medal or award they missed out on??

Arryn said:

There are hordes of games that are popular and are still crap. Deus Ex:IW is a perfect example. Scratch beneath the pretty graphics of Doom 3 and what do you find? A crappy game. Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Though quality sometimes helps spur popularity.

Er, yeah. There are also some hugely popular games that are very good indeed. This argument isn't getting either of you anywhere.

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[Arryn]

magnate said:
Er, yeah. There are also some hugely popular games that are very good indeed.

Such as KoTOR.

magnate said:
This argument isn't getting either of you anywhere.

Indeed. Since when did that ever stop anyone?

[deccan]

Arryn said:
Such as KoTOR.

Yeah, that was one cool game. Hear about "Jade Empire" yet?

[Pickles]

Someone lost in nested quotes said
"The only thing "underated" about Dom 2 is the lack of
appreciation the devs get for a game they basically did/do in their spare time."

The fact that it was done in their spare time does not make it a better game. Neither does it make the horrible faults (OK the message system) go away. It does make me more ready to accept the problems but only because the core game is so very good.

Plus I agree it is tiring that so many people seem to reject things on the grounds that they are popular. I am sure that here it is mostly due to differing tastes not prejudice though.
Whats KoTOR? Oh knights of the old republic - that was good but not great in the BGII way.

Pickles