AI tech trade bug

#1 June 10th, 2001, 10:58 PM

Richard will tell him for sure! Any reasonably intelligent person can find it in a few minutes using my hints. It IS a tech for tech swap, with nothing else in the package. I guess that should have been in my hint list too. It's a HOWLER!!

Edit : Download my turn 45 file and change the settings.txt stuff as posted in the "really big games" thread if you cannot find it using your game. One Last hint, it might be helpful for this purpose to examine the tech report of the AI player to see what he has researched.

[This message has been edited by LCC (edited 10 June 2001).]

#2 June 10th, 2001, 11:36 PM

I am about to get offline to free up the phone, but if you email me and your rank is Major or above, then I will just tell you what it is in an email. An experienced player does not need to exploit the AI in this way....

#3 June 11th, 2001, 04:31 PM

I thought by now somebody would have found it. Guess not many have visited, or are just not interested. I will send the bug in if nobody finds it in the next couple of days. It IS a bug, not just an unfair trade. I HOPE that I am doing unfair trades already. Certainly getting a near match on tech cost plus 200/200/200k in resources in the package is an exploit!

Nitram Draw · #4 June 11th, 2001, 04:42 PM

You could almost consider trading tech with the AI a bug in itself

You benefit much more than the AI from any trade. Better to just give them the tech.

#5 June 11th, 2001, 05:11 PM

This is my first ten planet start, and only my second against 20 races. Before now I never traded with the AI except to give a 4/3/3 resource plus treaty when first meeting. But I saw that doing tech by myself was just not going to cut it. Also though I created this map with lots of ruins I intended to take only a few for myself and let the AI get free tech off the rest. But the game progress is as follows :
Start - outnumbered 19 to 1
turn 20 outnumbered 14 to 1
turn 30 by 11 to 1
turn 45 by 5.5 to 1 and already half of MEE in score. So by the time I reach MEE at 5000k I will still be outnumbered in score by at least 3 to 1. Of that score 3400k is yard bases, not warships or production. So the actual odds are more like 10 to 1. I do not like those odds...
So I will exploit them while still learning what works. From watching the Krill fight the Ukra over my colony in Red, I can see that the AI has surely gotten smarter.....

Nitram Draw · #6 June 11th, 2001, 05:23 PM

What I mean is that a human generally will get the better of any trade with the AI because you will use the tech immediately where as the AI may not use a tech for some time.
Also, I have never seen ALL the AI attack anyone at the same time so you will probably outnumber them locally should they decide to attack you.
Unless you have expanded rapidly in a 10 planet start you should not reach MEE for quite some time as your score % differance will be harder to acheive.

Jubala · #7 June 11th, 2001, 07:41 PM

I seem to recall that somebody mentioned some time ago that you could fool the AI by offering them tech you didn't have and still get the tech they have. IIRC the AI wouldn't even realise it's been had and get angry. Haven't tried myself so I don't know if it works. Is this what you're talking about?