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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
Ok. Guess I was wrong after all! 
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September 14th, 2004, 06:16 AM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
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Ok. Guess I was wrong after all!
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Remmeber, Just because it is Illegal doesn't make it Morally Wrong  It's not the Artists who are getting hurt, it's the Music Industry Fat Cats and their obscene profits.  |
September 14th, 2004, 09:41 AM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
Obscene profits is rather an impossibility in an old industry. There is no OPEC here controlling profits. If there were obscene profits then there would be more artists starting their own company in order to "fix" the problem. (rather like how Tim Brooks decided to switch from developer for awhile to publisher starting Shrapnel Games)
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September 14th, 2004, 02:05 PM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
Actually Gandalf I would liken the funding members of IFPI very much to OPEC. The major record labels and major Hollywood studios *do* talk to each other about prices. (I'm not sure about games companies.) They don't charge what they think is a fair price for a CD, they charge "what the market will bear", ie. as much as they can get away with. That's why, here in the UK, the majors are so upset about the supermarket chains undercutting them and selling CDs for as little as £10 (about US$16), and *still* making a big profit on them.
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September 14th, 2004, 03:21 PM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
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about games companies.) They don't charge what they think is a fair price for a CD, they charge "what the market will bear",
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Well "what the market will bear" is often referred to as commerce. Supply and Demand. Thats not quite the same as "obscene profits". The idea that a CD should cost little more than the cost of making a CD is done but its not seen much. Thats because the price of doing it that way doesnt let it be seen. The price charged for CD's now also cover marketing, research, the cost of the ones that do well have to cover the cost of the ones that flop, and the cost of running the company. Whats left over after that is profit.
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
0.11 profit for the artists...
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September 15th, 2004, 02:35 AM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
I'm glad I live in Australia sometimes, sure our Music CD's cost $30AU and our games all come out at $89-$99AU
each, but the simple fact that our goverenment is so far behind the times they're only starting to be aware of P2P and MP3 piracy amazes me. This whole copyright infringment issue could have been avoided years ago if the Music industry and Hollywood caught on instead of putting their heads in the sand. The idea of iTunes is probably the best way to "overcome" priacy. I say "overcome" because its reasonable to assume piracy will never full stop, it'll always happen in some shape or form no matter what technology we may use to try stop it.
However, if we follow the idea of iTunes and make it easier for these people to buy the product and download it from a site for a cheaper price then going out and buying a packaged Version from a store, it'd at least move us in a direction that would discourage piracy. From iTunes, a movie company could create a site where you can download movies for a certain price each. Then you could also have a similar site where you could purchase CD Image files for a price each and then download them. All this could be controlled by an encryption key, allowing only ones with the key use of each file. While this isn't a fool-proof idea, I believe it is a step in the right direction which can't be as bad as just putting heads in the sand and hoping the nasty pirates will stop/be caught/die horrible deaths or so on.
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September 15th, 2004, 04:03 PM
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Re: US: Stop Congress from making iPod or VCRs ill
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about games companies.) They don't charge what they think is a fair price for a CD, they charge "what the market will bear",
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Well "what the market will bear" is often referred to as commerce. Supply and Demand. Thats not quite the same as "obscene profits"..(snip)
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OTOH, the music industry *did* get convicted of price fixing recently. Parts of supply and demand only work if you have competition in the supply area. Monopolies and price fixing remove that part of the system.
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