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Old September 17th, 2004, 06:27 PM

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Boron: you tried deleting the game directory for Pantheons, and re-connecting?
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Old September 17th, 2004, 11:45 PM

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What is going on with this game? Didn't five people stale Last turn from not being able to enter the game?
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Old September 18th, 2004, 12:34 AM

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I staled the Last turn, but the current one seems to be fine. I guess we've escaped with just stale turns for few nations.
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Old September 18th, 2004, 12:40 AM

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Yep, I staled also, for the second frigging time this game! This is getting quite annoying indeed. I am just lucky that nothing too bad happened to me with those two stales, but I luckily escaped unharmed.

Not that it really matters, as this game is basically over due to the cheap false horror bunk. That spell needs to be nerfed for sure.
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Old September 18th, 2004, 04:39 AM

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well.. false horror is the best use of a Seraph. but you should know that Caelum's false horrors where pretty useless against Machaka's Black Hunters, and anything with really high moral will have no trouble against a group of FH.

one or two SCs with flying would also put a stop to Caelum's seraphs. so would any decent group of flying units in general. (as long as there's no storm.. and so far Caelum's been raiding nonstop without any Staff of Storms, making them very very vulnerable to flying units. luckily no one has summoned any)

false horror isn't unbalanced, it just requires deliberate effort to counter (which is why its so effective, since its such a pain to commit resources to counter a particular tactic early in the game), but i would have imagined that in a team game, someone would have focused entirely on countering Caelum, just like the others focus on defeating their nearest opponent.

In this case I'm surprised Pangaea hasn't attacked Caelum yet (since he's the closest). Obviously I'm ready and waiting, but still, you can't just ignore me!
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Old September 18th, 2004, 06:16 AM

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Yeah I agree with lex that I have not yet got enough information on false horrors though it is unquestionably strong. It is the combination with flying that makes it so horrific. Mind you the fact that my 750 gps of spider plus a couple of leaders plus 25 PD could defeat 550 gp of seraph plus 6 troops is only what you hope would happen. I am not sure whether anything would counter the full mass of Caelum's seraph forces - must be over a dozen & could be 20 plus by now. I have not seen this though so who knows?
As to countering Caelum. As well as not being sure how to Caelum can choose to engage whoever it wishes & will avoid its counter pretty easily - provided it is not next door as our earlly power house Ulm was next to a good counter to it in Jotun.

The graphs are depressing though. I think our main weakness has been lack of communication. I never seem to get round to it & noone picked up on the email thing.

Anyway onwards & downwards!

Pickles
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Old September 18th, 2004, 08:35 AM
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This turn works now

So ONWARD MY MINIONS to victory ( trying to bolster myself )
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Old September 18th, 2004, 11:01 AM

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Well, i'm pretty sure Flames from Afar would be quite painful to 20+ Seraphs. But in combat, I've never seen anything beat a large group of Seraphs. Maybe an army of Devils or other summons would work well. A lone SC wouldn't have a chance against the 200+ False Horrors, but a group of them would eventually push their way to the Seraphs, who would be asleep from exhaustion after so many turns.

Its also useful to know that Seraphs can't seige a fortification in a million years. Even a group of 20 Seraphs would need a half dozen turns sometimes. So building castles is a good defence against Caelum, since it means the worst they can do is cause unrest and disrupt income for a turn.

Also, is everybody forgetting that anything etheral can fly through a storm? That means etheral SCs or Ghosts or Vampires can attack Seraphs directly on the first turn. If you have more then Caelum has Seraphs, you'll win. In mid to late game, any player with a blood economy should have no problem attacking Caelum. And you don't need to attack Caelum's armies, obviously you attack Caelum's empire and force his armies into a defence posture.

Its just really expensive (or impossible) to defeat massive amounts of False Horrors with your "normal" units. And defeating it early game is almost impossible, which is why False Horror is level 6 research. But obviously it pays off to do the research and raid all you unsuspecting opponents before they can summon an army to stop you. That's simply a good strategy.

Anyways, I'm gonna stop telling you guys how to kick my ***, and get back to playing
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