Elemental King/Queen summoning limits?

[Cohen]

Well, the 3 Cherubyne type uber arch-angels could be really nice to see (since Seraph has been assigned to Caelum and Seraphim too).
Grabriel, Michael and Rapheal ^^
or most fantasy
Uriel, Azrael and Imrael

[Huzurdaddi]

Well, the 3 Cherubyne type uber arch-angels could be really nice to see (since Seraph has been assigned to Caelum and Seraphim too).

Or maybe harbringers that were about as combat sturdy as a bane lord ... they are the same research level you know.

That would be cool. It does not work out that way. They are more expensive and far less combat capable. They do have A2 though. Yay!

A funny story. A SoapyFrog found himself in possession of a S5 mage a lot of research and plenty of astral gems and he could not for the life of him find anything useful for the astral mage to do.

Now I do not know if I would go that far. I think that astral is decent ( note : middle of the pack ) combat magic. And I think that it gives impressive mobility if you want to spend the gems. I do think that it totally lacks summons of any worth and that is, IMO, it's real failing.

[archaeolept]

doom horrors, vampire queens aren't so bad

not to mention golems.

[Huzurdaddi]

doom horrors, vampire queens aren't so bad

Indeed wishing is the only reasonable summon. However 100 astral gems is quite expensive assuming no clams.

not to mention golems.

Golems are clods. But it is all astral has. Not even as useful as a bane, which cost far less and requires less research. Bleech.

[Peter Ebbesen]

Huzurdaddi said:
Golems are clods. But it is all astral has. Not even as useful as a bane, which cost far less and requires less research. Bleech.

Golems with Stymphalian Armour and Winged Shoes/Boots of Quickness make excellent tramplers. Add anti-magic and a charcoal shield for more fun, or give your Golem the full "anti-the-person-who-hits-me" outfit. Bane Lords look funnier when they are flat.

[Cohen]

Simply Magic Levels and Paths are counted much more than pure fighting skill.

So a Banelord, even if thougher than an Harbringer, or more skilled than a Golem, lacks of any magic skill.

Harbringer can trapeze, mistform and mirror image, and with a +1A item can wrath too.
A Golem with a Starshine Cap can teleport, and he's plenty of buffs like body ethereal, personal luck, astral weapon/shield, resist magic. And it's lifeless, this make enemy SC unable to lifedrain him, even if he doesn't regenerate unless in a lab, in the lab IIRC he heals afflictions too.

However it's true they cost a lot of pearls meanwhile you can easily build a Banelord or better a Tartarian factory.

IMO Astral really needs for some uniques.

[Huzurdaddi]

I really would like a summon that is cost effective before a unique. Either troops or commanders. Heck both would be nice