AI needs to be MUCH more aggressive

[Weson102]

Space Empires IV has much depth but the hard coded AI is the downfall of the game.

I spent the Last 7-8 months tweaking data files and AI files, downloaded mods,etc. to get an opponent that would not just go thru the motions. The end result was not positive.

Can or will there ever be a patch to get the AI up to snuff? I'm willing to pay for an add-on if that's what is needed.

Is there a 4X game that has depth and an AI that is a challenge to a human opponent?

[jc173]

The AI is pretty bad at making long term strategic military decisions a lot of the time. Right now it mostly attacks planets only if they are in a contested system. I've seen the AI use DN's with quantum reactors as scouts that travel through most of my empire without attacking a single colony. On the other hand I have seen it attack ships/fleets in non-contested systems. I suggested a fix to the forum using a point system to give enemy planets a value for being attacked or captured within 3 or 4 warps of the border using a recursive search. The AI could just total up the points based on different characteristics such as the planet's size, breathable/non-breathable atmosphere, resource value, and any important facilities. Then it would just pick out what it considered to be the most important target and go off and attack.

The algorithm itself shouldn't be difficult it's just add up values and sort for the largest although you would probably want to randomize that somewhat so it wasn't too predictable. The hitch is that the AI would need to perform reconaissance or intel missions and then remember that data. Hopefully it isn't so complicated that Aaron can't add in something like this in a future patch.

[Lucanos]

The problem isn't that the AI is too friendly (lack aggrssion). The AI is merely too dumb - too aggressive, even.

"Know thy enemies..." someone once said (I think). Not until the AI is hardcoded so it can learn from its own mistakes and "remeber" important stuff will it be the challange you seek.

The AI must "understand" when to strike - how to strike - IF to strike. Today it can't make those kind of judgement why they just - strike.

It should be possible to make peace with the AI for instance.

[Jubala]

Anyone played Europa Univeralis? That game has a pretty good AI in my opinion. You can grease it, piss it off, ally with it (and it actually helps you in war), make peace and some other stuff. Don't remember it all now since it's been awhile since I Last played the game.

[out_law]

If your we're going to make AI more intressing to play with would you need more files (you'd need a bigger file any way) , my reasoning behind this - to make it harder to play against you would new more veribles with are to others?

[Beck]

I played EU and didn't find the AI in it really any more intelligent than in SE4. It utilizes an excellent rules hierachy in its political system which since it is such a large element of the game may give the impression of intelligence. The system is made to hamper the human player as much as help the AI as there is only so much territory you can demand in a peace treaty for example. But it made as many goofy moves as SE4 does. You offer it a peace proposal that it give you a city province and a colony and it refuses only to offer you 3 city provinces the very next month. I found it very uneven in the handling of units. It too would do the equilvalent of sending single ships through a minefield with its naval ships. It is a little better in its handling of politics because of the rules, but even there it would make bonehead moves like in my Last game. I had Austria down to only its capitol province (which cannot be surrendered) and several 100,000 men armies surrounding it and it would up and declare war one day with its 15,000 men and the next day realizing the folly of its error I guess beg for a white peace.

[Jubala]

True, the EU AI can also make stupid decisions. But you can't accuse it of not being aggressive and following up on attacks. I once played as Sweden (of course) and Russia declared war on me (of course) and Turkey that was in the same alliance as Russia also declared war on me. I figured I didn't have to worry about Turkey much since they wheren't exactly my next door neighbour if you know what I mean. A couple of months after the war started a Turkish fleet is sighted off the coast of Gothenburg and promptly lands a force of about 45 000 men. Very surprising and very bad since the bulk of my army was off fighting in Russia. I sent my fleet to chase away the Turkish fleet and took some loans to raise a new army in Stockholm to smash the Turks. Took me awhile and some chasing, but I finally got rid of them. Imo the EU AI is better than the SE4 at going after a goal so to speak.