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Old October 5th, 2004, 02:56 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but...

Kerry used the term "global test", not "international test". I interpreted this in the context of the rest of his statements, and I did not interpret international anywhere.

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1. Having the shape of a globe; spherical.
2. Of, relating to, or involving the entire earth; worldwide: global war; global monetary policies.
3. Comprehensive; total: “a... global, generalized sense of loss” (Maggie Scarf).
4. Computer Science. Of or relating to an entire program, document, or file.
Ok, so obviously, he did not mean "spherical test", and he obviously did not say it in the context of computer science, so options 1 and 4 are automatically out. That leaves "worldwide" or "comprehensive". And in the context of everything else he said, it is clear to me that he meant "comprehensive". His entire point was that a President must be able to convince his own people completely that an action is necessary if he can ever hope to convince anyone that the action was right. Bush only managed to convince about 60% tops of the population that invading Iraq was a Good Thing(tm), and that percentage is drastically smaller now that many have realized that the pretenses for invasion were false. It also seems that a large majority of those who do still think it is a good thing are at least to some extent still convinced that Saddam Hussein == Terrorism, despite evidence that Saddam was one of the most powerful enemies to fundamentalist Islamic terrorists in the Middle East.

So, yes, it was an unfortunate choice of words on Kerry's part, due to Bush's campaign managers' penchant for twisting and spinning everything to make Bush look like the greatest thing since sliced bread. That doesn't mean you should believe what comes out of their collective traps concerning Kerry. Listening to one side of the argument always leaves you with a distorted view of the whole issue, and that campaign is the master of distortions. Just look at how they destroyed McCain in 2000, spinned all their policies while in office (Clear Skies Initiative, anyone?), etc.

I'm not saying the Kerry campaign is innocent of this either. But they have been a lot more honest, which counts for a lot in my book.
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I would say Edwards won Last night

and tie that in with Duelfer's report being released this week.
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Edwards lost Last night, and tie that with Fox News.
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Don't you mean Fox "news"?

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Fox News is no better or worse than any other US news media... it is just unfairly biased in a different direction than most of them are... But yeah, lets all jump on the bandwagon and unfairly hold Fox to a higher standard than everyone else.
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Fox news belongs in the same place as world weekly news and the national enquirer. I tuned in Last week and heard them babble about race and culture wars now taking place in america. really, WTF!
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Liberal bias!?

More people watch fox news than any other news channel.

More newspapers endorsed Bush in the Last election than Gore.

20 million people get their distortions from Rush Limbaugh everyday.

Also what most people misconstrue as "liberal" (meaning - they don't use Republican press releases for their news headlines) is really right of center.
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I would say Edwards won Last night

and tie that in with Duelfer's report being released this week.
Umm, I'm a bit dense right now, but what connection am I supposed to make?

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Fox News is no better or worse than any other US news media... it is just unfairly biased in a different direction than most of them are... But yeah, lets all jump on the bandwagon and unfairly hold Fox to a higher standard than everyone else.
Didn't you know? There's no such thing as liberal bias. Liberalism is pristine humanity's natural state, and he has to be corrupted to conservatism.
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