MP Game - "Throne Of Heavens", veterans and experienced players only (full)

[Stormbinder]

archaeolept said:
how is our allying against you illegal or unfair? we were both pissed at you and decided to attack. the victory conditions were completely irrelevant to us; hence, why we have no problem dropping them.

you're just a wuss. look at yourself in the mirror. All you are doing is desperately searching for some lame excuse to blame your loss on - we've all heard you brag about how you win so often (LOL!), but it should be clear to all how you achieve this...

Heh. Silly rabbit. Next time try to form your "joint victory" coalition from the begining with all nations except one, if "victory conditions are irrelivent" to you. That way you'll be able to win all your games. And btw that's the only way you will be able to win against good opponents.

Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny.




EDIT: LOL, nm my suggestion about your future games archae. Based upon your words here that I've missed first time, you are already doing just that, and perhaps you have done that in your past games as well:

archaeolept said:
i'm so glad you feel qualified to speak for him [Marrignon]. however, the truth is that the original victory alliance was between him and me.

So how many "victory alliances" have you formed in this game arache? What a joke.

[Cohen]

Why the hell the poor Maltrease is in this struggle beetween you three ... ?

If I see any of his post here, I could understand, but why he's in the middle here without having said anything here. If he's said something in private, probably he wants to keep it private.

For what I know, is damn common that the 2nd and 3rd nation coalizes against the 1st power on the chart (graphs). Even if they project a join alliance, well, this will result in the game outcome and the players will lose some distrust.
In my opinion, for what I've understood, because I'm out of this game since long time, probably will happen a Mictlan/Pangea war when Van is finished off, and depending on Marignon and Ryleh strenght they could act as ally to make the balance going left or right.

The advice I could tell you, for how is frustrating, is to keep playing til the Last, because you said "No Quitter", it's your game and your rule, even if it's a battle lost and of the series "Against the Odds" (a wargaming magazine that usually includes a wargame where 1 side is badly outnumbered).

[Stormbinder]

Cohen said:
Why the hell the poor Maltrease is in this struggle beetween you three ... ?

If I see any of his post here, I could understand, but why he's in the middle here without having said anything here. If he's said something in private, probably he wants to keep it private.

For what I know, is damn common that the 2nd and 3rd nation coalizes against the 1st power on the chart (graphs). Even if they project a join alliance, well, this will result in the game outcome and the players will lose some distrust.
In my opinion, for what I've understood, because I'm out of this game since long time, probably will happen a Mictlan/Pangea war when Van is finished off, and depending on Marignon and Ryleh strenght they could act as ally to make the balance going left or right.

The advice I could tell you, for how is frustrating, is to keep playing til the Last, because you said "No Quitter", it's your game and your rule, even if it's a battle lost and of the series "Against the Odds" (a wargaming magazine that usually includes a wargame where 1 side is badly outnumbered).

You are missing the point Cohen. First I was not the top nation, Mictlan was. As I wrote above several times, he had *much* better army, *many* more SCs, higher gem income and better reseach. I only had small lead in gold income and province number. He also have not been in any serious war since the begining of the game. In fact all he ever done in this game was to swallow first your sub than you when you have returned from your trip. Nothing else, just siting on his arse, farming bloodslaves.


Second - quantum and archae had no intentions fo duke it out between themselves whatsoever. They decided to form "joint victory" coalition instead. They have said that themslef to me very clearly.


From quantum's own mouth: "I'm afraid I have some bad news. Mictlan has offered me a very nice joint victory option, so I'm afraid I'm giving notice on our None-Agression treaty".


When I complained about this "joint victory" crap and told him that this is supposed to be FFA game, he refused to change their plan and that: "Honestly a large fator is the increased micro the longer the game goes on".

When I complained about it to Arache, his response was almost exactly the same. And he also told me that he is doing it largly because he " just hates that part of the endgame".



If quantum and archae hated the dom2's endgames so much, why not just find the subs for you like other people did, instead of turning the game from FFA to "join voctory" crap??? Simply because you wanted to "win" the game so badly? That's a very lame attitude, to say at least.

[quantum_mechani]

Stormbinder said:

Heh. Silly rabbit. Next time try to form your "joint victory" coalition from the begining with all nations except one, if "victory conditions are irrelivent" to you. That way you'll be able to win all your games. And btw that's the only way you will be able to win against good opponents.

Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny.

I wish you could get it though your head that the possible joint victory was more of coutesy from Arch than anything else. I had assumed that after the war Arch would come out clearly domenent, and further fighting would be pointless. However, if this is not the case, and the other players are interested in trying to take down Arch at that point, I would be happy to break the alliance stay on board. And, as I said before, whatever happens after your empire is gone is irelevent to whether you are quitting.

[Cainehill]

Stormbinder said:
Accursing me of being weak player after I refused a100% assured victory twice in this game, simply because I though it is not a sportsmanship-like, and after you later went so far as to form "joint victory" coalition in what supposed to be FFA game, just because you were too afraid to deal with me yourself is very funny.

Personally, I expect you refused the 'assured victory' because you have a Messiah / God complex (rather appropriate given the game), and because you never thought that you could lose. I'd think you've been listening to Boron and Cohen too much, with their "Stormie's the most experienced Dominions player" bit, except you've always been that way.

You whine about how for 3 or 4 turns they've whomped your ***. How is that different from if they both simply decided to eradicate the only player more obnoxious in his diplomacy than Cohen? It wouldn't require, in any shape or fashion, a joint victory alliance - but then, I think you've been smoking too many joints, really, and maybe Reefer Madness is right and you have become totally disassociated from reality.

Hey! I'm not insulting you - after all, reality sucks, who wouldn't want to be able to ignore it and live in a dream world?

And of course - you ignore all the bits of what has been posted (by the players) that don't fit your "reality" - like the way you pissed off major nations in the game. ( And don't forget, Stormie, I'm pretty sure Quantum Mechanic at least didn't have anything against you prior to this game. Oh, unless he's Norfleet, that is. ) Screwing up diplomatically isn't a good way to win wars.

But, you like to lie in your diplomatic Messages, and you like to bully in them - telling people to accept borders that are unacceptable (for them) or you'll crush them. And you like to lie, period, but no sense in pointing out the threads that I demonstrated this in the past. So I have no doubt but that you _did_ have two WQs, personally.

Still haven't explained the math of someone having "10 times as many SCs" as you though - you claim you only had 1 WQ instead of 2; fine. THat still left you with what, 7 SCs to his 12 or 14? Dude, did you get your education in Florida?

And Last but not least - you're still quitting a game that you're a major player in, after all your whining and squealing about other people quitting. You're not even finding a substitute.

Sad, Pathetic, Lame behavior all in all. Not that I'm saying that you're any of these things (others can make up their own minds) but that your behavior is.

As expected.

[Stormbinder]

Cainehill said:

Personally, I expect you refused the 'assured victory' because...

Personally I expect you to have no idea what you are talkign about, because you was never a part of this game. Unlike yourslef, Archae, along with other players, had seen things quite clearly, and that's the only reason why he backed down from Zap's threat to throw the game in my favor, after much urging from me. Archae was very pissed and he have complained everywhere about what he called Zap's "blackmail".



Of course you probably suspected as much yourself, since you happly took your part in bashing Zap when he was thinking of quiting, not on the merit but just because he was on your personal "hate list", like Cohen, Baron, myself, others. But as an self-admited addicted flamer you just could not walk past this thread when you saw some familiar faces here.

Sorry Cain, no cigars for you here. I know what you are. Go back to your troll's cave.

[Cohen]

Well, Cainehill manage to put me in the middle everytime.
I never said that Storm is one of the most experienced players here ... I don't know even many of the players that walk around there so I can't exactly tell anything about.

For Diplo, well ... to everyone their point of view.
And in every game, different diplo.
Full stop.

[Stormbinder]

Cohen said:
Well, Cainehill manage to put me in the middle everytime.

LOL. Are you surprised? That's good old Cain for you. I was only surprised that he didn't pop up earlier. He was probably distracted by new 2 forums format, poor guy.