Unusual Population Types

[Leif_-]

The trolls and vettir might not be used by default, but you can use them in customized maps (for instance, the DovregubbensHall map variant that's included with my daily random maps.)

[Edi]

I know, I actually found them out by assigning the poptypes to provinces that did not have numbers listed in the mapedit.pdf, and then went outside the range given there (25-68). It's curious, because the poptype with basic trolls, vaetti and wolf riders IS active (but very rare), so why not the others? Or at least the one without mage commanders available?

Thing is, I'm interested in possible sightings, and finding them requires a huge sample of games and provinces. I've seen the basic trolls all of three times through dozens of games, and if the others are even rarer, it could be that even experienced people had not been lucky.

Edi

[anatoli11]

I've seen mermen a couple of times

[Vicious Love]

I've seen one kind of merman, triton guards and triton troopers(And possibly lords).
Aren't trolls only made available via special sites? Also, what's an Asmeg?

[Cohen]

I've seen Triton guy, if you mean "shark" knights ...

And 2 times Mermen too.

[Turin]

I have triton knights(those guys with flying and recuperation) and shark knights in one game on the faerun map. There are also several indie underwater sites with ~10 sea trolls and a kraken.

[Edi]

Turin said:
I have triton knights in one game on the faerun map. There are also several indie underwater sites with ~10 sea trolls and a kraken.

Are those units just site guards, or can you recruit sea trolls from the province? If you can't, they don't count for the purposes of this thread. The triton knights were recruitable, weren't they?

Edi

[Turin]

triton knights are recruitable. Haven´t conquered those sea troll provinces yet, but as far as I know you always get to recruit the guarding troops unless it is a special site.

I just checked the game again and one thing is strange: I have two provinces where I can recruit shark knights, one of those has the shrine of the shark lords, which says: "Can recruit shark knight" here.

The interesting thing is: In that province I can recruit the triton knights. So it seems to me that maybe shark and triton knights got switched, because I should not be able to recruit shark knights in provinces without that special.

[Edi]

Vicious Love said:
I've seen one kind of merman, triton guards and triton troopers(And possibly lords).
Aren't trolls only made available via special sites? Also, what's an Asmeg?

Apparently the merman poptype is active then, though rare. Triton guards and troopers, as well as shark knights are all part of regular, active triton poptypes, most of them just aren't listed in the map editing manual. Triton lord is the generic triton leader available in all such provinces.

Trolls can be recruited from Troll Pit, but they are also native population for two different poptypes (one has vaetti, the other is purely trolls, and the one I listed above).

An Asmeg is a Vanheim giant (kind of). The Vanheim and Jotunheim nation descriptions refer to a war between the Rimtursar and Aesir. Asmeg are descendants of the Aesir, not quite as big and powerful as Jotun giants, but very nice nonetheless. Their leaders have air and holy magic. Take a look at the Asynja pretender for Vanheim and extrapolate regular units modeled after it, that's you standard Asmeg.

Edi