Fools Lament II - Ended - Mictlan wins!!!

Soapyfrog · #1 October 7th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Oh yeah, I think we are all playing for fun here

Huz just likes to focus all his pain and rage on one target, in a cathartic orgy of destruction. And you're IT! Lucky you

Huzurdaddi · #2 October 7th, 2004, 07:11 PM

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I'm a pretty new player (this is my 4th MP game, none completed)

Uh hun. I doubt I have any more than that.

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My ogres are shaking in their green booties...
- come teach me a lesson in winning in multi-player games...

Tough talk from a person who has 2 allies attacking me at the same time.

I have little time for people who instigate dogpiles. I hope I am able to crush you. I will laugh at how pathetic you are if you can not kill me with 3 people attacking me at the same time.

Seriously, pathetic.

Huzurdaddi · #3 October 7th, 2004, 07:14 PM

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Oh yeah, I think we are all playing for fun here

Well yes and no. You know how much I despise dogpiles. They seem to always happen though. We'll see how this works out.

Soapyfrog · #4 October 7th, 2004, 09:28 PM

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Well yes and no. You know how much I despise dogpiles. They seem to always happen though. We'll see how this works out.

Becuase they are singularly logical. The best way to pursue a military conflict is with overwhelming force, with as many allies as you can muster.

Napoleon's dictum was "I would rather fight Allies than be one" and look where that got him

If, in fact, 3 nations cannot beat you, then their dogpiling will have been thoroughly justified

In the meantime... fight allies with allies!

Yossar · #5 October 7th, 2004, 11:40 PM

Look at the graphs. Ermor is #1 in provinces, forts (by a huge margin), gem income, army size, and victory points, and 2nd in research and dominion. At this point Ermor isn't going to be beaten without multiple people attacking him. It's not unfair, unexpected, or illogical that an Ermor dogpile happens when Ermor is so far in the lead. I don't know how you could have avoided it, but it isn't unheard of for Ermor to make some friends of his own. Maybe he'd have to bribe them, but a bribed ally is better than no ally. I won my Last game by allying with Ermor, persuading everyone else to focus on him, and then picking off people when they were only thinking of Ermor. Ermor and I ended up as the two strongest nations, but I managed to amass a bit more power than he did before the final showdown.

Huzurdaddi · #6 October 7th, 2004, 11:56 PM

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Look at the graphs. Ermor is #1 in provinces, forts (by a huge margin), gem income, army size, and victory points, and 2nd in research and dominion.

Ha! The margin is not large in any of those statistics. And the army graph is as always not horribly useful since it is quality of troops which generally determine battles not quanity. I would much rather have one vine ogre than one ermorian undead. And the ratio is nearly there.

#1 in gems means I have a rainbow. My mistake. Wanted to play around, should have made an SC.

As for the forts, what do you think I am going to spend my money on? Forts == troops for Ermor.

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At this point Ermor isn't going to be beaten without multiple people attacking him

Making an assessment like that from the graphs is totally crazy. *if* I survive what is currently going on the method through which I do it will totally not be captured by the graphs. I can only hope that I do survive but the only way is via a great difference in .. well I won't get into it.

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The best way to pursue a military conflict is with overwhelming force

Got to agree with that though. Completely logical.

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If, in fact, 3 nations cannot beat you, then their dogpiling will have been thoroughly justified

If they can not beat me, well you know what it means. There should be *no way* that I could survive this. None, zero, zip.

Huzurdaddi · #7 October 7th, 2004, 11:58 PM

Oh and Yossar you should know how inaccurate the graphs can be. You are playing Mictlain. The graphs totally do not capture your power. They capture but the smallest fraction of it.

However I have to say that without soul contrats your power is greatly limited. OTOH it just means more vampires.

Yossar · #8 October 8th, 2004, 02:09 AM

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At this point Ermor isn't going to be beaten without multiple people attacking him

Making an assessment like that from the graphs is totally crazy. *if* I survive what is currently going on the method through which I do it will totally not be captured by the graphs. I can only hope that I do survive but the only way is via a great difference in .. well I won't get into it.

Who would you think is even close to being more powerful than you? Pangaea? Vine ogres are great tanks, but aren't too hard to deal with with their horrible defense and MR. Your research and gem income are much better than Pangaea's. Your army is large but mostly worthless, but your research and gems you clearly have the ability to mix quite a few tougher units in there. The graphs leave a lot to be desired (but with no hidden gem income from clams, etc. the graphs are better than usual) but that and a bit of scouting are all most people have to go by for information. And they show you to clearly be in first place. The only nations that are really hard to gauge from the graphs are the blood nations. Who knows what kind of blood income Mictlan, Abysia, Jotun, and Vanheim have? And how many ice and arch devils have been summonned? The graphs aren't going to show that. I guess it is a bit telling that I'm the only other nation with a second Victory Point, though.