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Huzurdaddi · #1 October 12th, 2004, 03:47 PM

Gandalf this is why the right is simply better at the game of politics.

To understand the Kerry's votes you have to go into the minutia of the vote which, in general, people will not do.

Further, let's be honest. Kerry voted for the authority since he was up for re-election. He was gutless. Or perhaps discretion is the better part of valor, I don't know. I hate to say it, since I want someone to beat Bush, but Kerry was gutless on this issue. No Senator should have voted for that resolution, hell I don't even know if it was constitutionally valid.

Gandalf Parker · #2 October 12th, 2004, 04:02 PM

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Further, let's be honest. Kerry voted for the authority since he was up for re-election. He was gutless. Or perhaps discretion is the better part of valor, I don't know. I hate to say it, since I want someone to beat Bush, but Kerry was gutless on this issue. No Senator should have voted for that resolution, hell I don't even know if it was constitutionally valid.

Well its all propoganda anyway. People dont realize that propoganda rarely means "lies". It means telling your Version of the truth with your choice of words. Another word for "flip flop" might be "flexible", and the other end of that scale would be "inflexible" or "pig-headed in the face of later facts". The president is at the top with supreme court, congress, senate, a ton of advisors. Having one that does what he wants and end-runs around all of those doesnt strike me as preferable.

Zen · #3 October 12th, 2004, 04:05 PM

My guess is Arryn is writing in Ross Perot at election time.

Arryn · #4 October 12th, 2004, 04:10 PM

Wrong, Zen. Perot is a demagogue of the worst sort. Plus I don't believe in throwing away my vote.

I favored McCain in the Last election before Bush's lies buried him in the primaries. That left me with no choice but to support Gore. I supported Wesley Clarke. Kerry was 3rd or 4th down on my list of viable Democratic opponents to Bush.

Huzurdaddi · #5 October 12th, 2004, 04:21 PM

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I supported Wesley Clarke.

I found that his positions were too complicated to connect. Dean and Edwards both had very simple, powerful, campaigns that I think would have translated well in a national forum. Further he was not really quick in the debates and I happen to like quickness ( no idea if it polls well ).

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Perot is a demagogue of the worst sort.

Who cares? he probably gave two elections to Clinton! The ends justify the means!

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Well its all propoganda anyway.

Well that seems a little like a cop-out. There were real concequences to that decision, expensive and deadly concequences. There has been OTOH no accountability. None, zero, zip. That's wrong, IMO.