OT: Windows Optimization?

Fyron · #1 October 30th, 2004, 12:13 AM

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parabolize said:
Wine is still Wine. Winex is made from Wine by Transgaming. No games on Linux? Linux games list
edit: Wait are you talking about Cedega, that's just the name they made for Version 4.*. It will change again when they go to 5.

Yes there are some cheap crappy games, and a few big companies have made games with native Linux builds, but the vast majority of games don't work in Linux, or run poorly in Wine and Winex (SE4 has problems from what I hear)... That list just proves my point.

parabolize · #2 October 30th, 2004, 12:16 AM

Fyron do you play anything but se4?

Fyron · #3 October 30th, 2004, 12:22 AM

Yes. And practically nothing else I play is on that list. Also, the problems with SE4 under Wine that Sivran is having (from IRC channel) really ruin it... no alt-tabbing, combat replays suck, mod launcher doesn't work, and so on... Everyone I have spoken to that uses Linux boots into Windows for games... Having to reboot all the time is definitely not a viable solution.

And it is not just games. There are a lot of programs I use that do not work under Linux, and the alternatives are junk...

parabolize · #4 October 30th, 2004, 12:53 AM

They work for me.

Take a look at the attachment.

AgentZero · #5 October 30th, 2004, 09:27 AM

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And it is not just games. There are a lot of programs I use that do not work under Linux, and the alternatives are junk..

Even if they aren't junk, I don't really feel like learning how to use an new 3D rendering program because my current one won't work with Linux. It does work on Mac, but of course I can't have dual-boot system running Win and Mac. Correct me if I'm wrong but even if one formatted the HD and tried to install MacOS it wouldn't work because of fundamental differences in the hardware. Right?

Just a side note from someone who admittedly failed first-year computer science, but if it's possible to make Windows-compatible applications, should it not be possible to make a Windows-compatible operating system?

Aiken · #6 October 30th, 2004, 01:28 PM

Heh, the only Windows compatible OS I know is DOS...

Instar · #7 November 2nd, 2004, 02:57 AM

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aiken said:
Heh, the only Windows compatible OS I know is DOS...

???
That does not make one ounce of sense...

Will · #8 October 30th, 2004, 01:59 PM

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AgentZero said:
Just a side note from someone who admittedly failed first-year computer science, but if it's possible to make Windows-compatible applications, should it not be possible to make a Windows-compatible operating system?

Technically, it could be done. But the details involved are way too huge for any entity (even Microsoft) to deal with. The big deal with Windows is that damn near everything is backwards compatible, so stuff that runs in Win9x usually runs in WinXP, and some stuff that runs in Win3.x does, and some old DOS programs even run under XP. The problem comes in when Microsoft kept "undocumented features", aka bugs, in the backwards compatibility code, since some applications used these in their programs. I don't know of any specific examples, but imagine something like passing NULL pointers to a file system function gave you the data from the Last time the function was used instead of returning an error... a lot of stuff like that was used by "programmers" because it worked at the time, even if it wasn't necessarily correct. Pile up about 15-20 years of that, and making an emulator that does all of that stuff is... well, impossible. Wine and its ilk are getting close, but I don't think they'll get there.

AgentZero · #9 October 31st, 2004, 11:00 AM

Thanks guys. I've taken your advice (mostly) to heart, and the ol' girl seems to be running nicely again. But Will, you mentioned LiteStep, which I was looking at, but I haven't really had any luck getting it to work and there seems to be a dearth of helpful information out there. So any assistance you can provide would be much appreciated.