US Election and Supreme Court

Raging Deadstar · #1 November 4th, 2004, 08:47 AM

I just checked the US Budget thread, this thread is going the same way

RandallW, I would argue with you, but we'd go round in circles and nothing would change, we are set in our respective view points. I believe Bush is a Tyrant and a War Monger, Uses his Religous and Moral Beliefs too openly to influence people, Is Oppressing the American People and using Fear as a Method of Control. You have your own views.

So I'm Adding Fuel to the Fire

Some Links for you all to discuss. I'm not claiming any of this has been proven yet, Is True or false, has been dismissed, it's just some stuff I thought i'd throw in for disscussion.

Motion to Remove the 22nd Amendment
Possible Story about the Patriot Act
Ahh, The sheer Clean and Fair Tactics of US Elections.

geoschmo · #2 November 4th, 2004, 10:00 AM

I actually suspect that the Bush's second term will be less radical. He really does appear to see himself as the second coming of Reagan. For those that don't remember, Reagan showed a somewhat softer side in his second term. Going as far as working out arms control treaties with the "Evil Empire" U.S.S.R.

Bush's emphasis will be on his "legacy" and to do that he's going to need to be much more of a moderate. He no longer needs to get elected, so he's no longer beholden to the wishes of the religios right-wing of his party or the neo-cons. There is already talk of a cabinet shakeup, perhaps begining as early as this week.

I have doubts about how sucsesful he's going to be in making this transition. He's going to find it hard to earn trust from those on the other side of the aisle after the Last four years. And I don't believe that there are enough moderates in the congress anymore to really get anything substatnial done.

Randallw · #3 November 4th, 2004, 10:26 AM

Well Deadstar I agree we can agree to disagree..ee..ee

Rest assured, in the interests of being friendly I gave your links a look. I found their content interesting, but commenting will just throw wood on the fire.

Let me take this oppurtunity to say how wonderful I find it that even with our diverse community we can agree to disagree without resorting to arguments. Whenever I feel drawn to express my opinion (and usually I refrain, believe it or not) I expect to come back to criticism. I am delighted that replies are always civil.

Raging Deadstar · #4 November 4th, 2004, 10:51 AM

At Least we havent decided to disagrEEE

Excuse me, There are some alien jellyfish who are about to get smited

The brief sounds of Anti Proton Beam Wielding Flaming Death (tm) can be heard in the distance...

Ooops...My Bad, One less Hydrogen Gas Giant to worry about, I forgot about that entire flammable thing... [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img] [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img]

It's a great community here, Rarely do arguments get too heated, although the Last political threads were getting a bit too warm

tesco samoa · #5 November 4th, 2004, 02:11 PM

I am more worried about the PNAC folks and the pax america. As the plan is well under way now which is good for nobody outside the USA...

geoschmo · #6 November 4th, 2004, 02:30 PM

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tesco samoa said:
I am more worried about the PNAC folks and the pax america. As the plan is well under way now which is good for nobody outside the USA...

You think? Well under way? If the plan was to topple Iraq, Iran and Syria by force, I think the extreme difficulty of maintaining Iraq, and even Afghanistan to a degree, has pretty much made it clear this is as far as we can go.

Rasorow · #7 November 4th, 2004, 04:27 PM

"You think? Well under way? If the plan was to topple Iraq, Iran and Syria by force, I think the extreme difficulty of maintaining Iraq, and even Afghanistan to a degree, has pretty much made it clear this is as far as we can go. "

Its as far as any reasonable person should go at one time - that I will agree with...

Though I would say its farther then one should have gone at one time. We all have fought multi-front wars before and know what happens. Least when we do it, its a game and no one dies, is maimed, or suffers.

Also to a point made earlier... I think this community is really something else. Everyone has been able to express their opinion respectfully and intelligently discussed their views without burnning up the Boards. I just think that is something else and while I think that should be the norm, the reality is - its not the norm. I am pleased and grateful that I have found one place that is intelligent, reasonable, and respectful.

Hats off to all

Rasorow

PS just re-read and what I meant is about fighting multi-front wars is that we are all war gamers and strat buffs. We know what happens through resource drain, logistics nightmare, and increased causalties in our games when we fight on more then one front in our games. Not saying that all of us know what it means to be actually in the foxhole but you have the same problems in the real world as the strat games - only worse.