Why whould you ever choose Mictlan?

[Foom]

On a similar note, what do "Restless Worshippers" and "Ceremonial Faith" do for Mictlan? Dominion is really hard to spread since blood sacrifices seem so weak. Do those special dominions help?

[deccan]

I think Panther did a series of tests a while back that proved the power of blood sacrifice. I'm playing an SP game as Mictlan myself, but I agree that it's really powerful. Give Jade Knives to your priests and don't stint on the slaves. There's more where they come from.

[Graeme Dice]

Foom said:
On a similar note, what do "Restless Worshippers" and "Ceremonial Faith" do for Mictlan? Dominion is really hard to spread since blood sacrifices seem so weak. Do those special dominions help?

I don't believe that you can select either of those themes with Mictlan.

[archaeolept]

no, you can't.

as to the debate, personally I hate the diabolists. not being sacred, combined w/ bloody mary's forced turmoil really ratchets up the economic pain. I far prefer the wonderful goetic masters, who have pretty well the same upkeep, are good for hellfire, research, bloodhunting w/out a sanguine rod even, and get a random. their versatility and power more than makes up for the initial expenditure, IMO.

Sanguine acolytes are good, but that is payed for through the relative troop weakness of the theme, and, especially, the inability to take magic scales. Blood of humans is good for rushing the arch devils, or some such, but early expansion is more difficult and research will always heavily lag.

Mictlan has good magical diversity, to my mind excellent sacred troops, and the best combined economic/research/blood ramp-up in the game. what's not to love? (other than their early game crap dominion)

[Huzurdaddi]

but that is payed for through the relative troop weakness of the theme

I would say that head-to-head the Blood of Humans theme has much better troops than Mictlan.

Mictlan has good magical diversity, to my mind excellent sacred troops, and the best combined economic/research/blood ramp-up in the game. what's not to love? (other than their early game crap dominion)

Mictlan has plentiful scared troops I do not know if I would call them excellent.

Don't forget that the magical diversity of Mictlan has a couple of limitations: all of those wonderful casters are capital only and they have no randoms at all. That is a pretty heavy price.

Mictlan's negatives are that their troops are very fragile to missle fire, their excellent ( but costly ) casters are capital only, and their dominion costs an additional resource ( this also has the side effect of making their micromanagement quite difficult ).

To compensate for these negatives they get the best blood hunter in the game ( by a percentage which I think has been painfully calculated by now ), the ability to take both the magic and order scales, and the excellent, terrific, awesome Tribal king.

[Gandalf Parker]

What Im seeing is that we have 2 nations which are built for blood being compared. But one which works for people who prefer to take armies to war, and another for people who prefer a more defensive/research path? Sounds like decent balancing

[Boron]

Huzurdaddi said:
To compensate for these negatives they get the best blood hunter in the game ( by a percentage which I think has been painfully calculated by now ), the ability to take both the magic and order scales, and the excellent, terrific, awesome Tribal king.

Unfortunately i didn't read forum a lot the Last week . So sorry if already answered above cause i only skimmed the current discussion .

Have the slaves needed to be sacrificed as mictlan been included in the comparison of costs between mictlan priest + BoH alcolyte ?

Abysia BoH has heat 2 instead of heat 1 as mictlan + they can go death scale if they want to so they can take magic + order scale even easier + do a better SC pretender then mictlan cause their troops are a bit better .


I never used the slaves as mictlan personally so could you please explain why the tribal king is so excellent ? For using slaves to patrol ?

[Huzurdaddi]

I never used the slaves as mictlan personally so could you please explain why the tribal king is so excellent ? For using slaves to patrol ?

He's cheap! He has a great command rating! He's sacred to boot! If it were just that he would be a fine leader. But he can also levy slaves and patrol like a mad man for little cost. What's not to love!

He allows you to blood hunt in those farm provinces with a minimal loss of gold ( I *think* that the order is bloodhunt->unrest from blood hunt->get gold income->patrol so you do lose some gold but it's better than what you would lose without the patrolling ).

[Boron]

Huzurdaddi said:

He's cheap! He has a great command rating! He's sacred to boot! If it were just that he would be a fine leader. But he can also levy slaves and patrol like a mad man for little cost. What's not to love!

He allows you to blood hunt in those farm provinces with a minimal loss of gold ( I *think* that the order is bloodhunt->unrest from blood hunt->get gold income->patrol so you do lose some gold but it's better than what you would lose without the patrolling ).

With how many blood hunters do you hunt in a farm province ?
How many slaves do you use for patrol ?
A slave costs 0,067 upkeep iirc .
And finally does a slave count as normal or poor patroller ?

[Foom]

Graeme Dice said:

I don't believe that you can select either of those themes with Mictlan.

I just checked; you can pick Restless Worshippers, but not Ceremonial Faith.

RW seems to help a little, but the turmoil probably isn't worth it.