Atlantis and upkeep/supply

[Wendigo]

As arch says, supply is based on size: your lobsters eat as much as 5 size2 troopers, and your shamblers eat twice as much.

Solve your upkeep problems with a better economy: better economic scales (order, production, growth & luck), a higher admin fort, building forts in your best provinces income-wise, searching for fire-earth gems & alchemizing them with an alchemist stone)

Solve your supply issues with a growth scale (increases supply inside your dominion +20% per pick, and with further increases over time because of population increases), and by picking a good admin fort & building it in those provinces you have supply problems (forts have a supply radius).

A lot of people play nowadays with low admin forts & a death scale, maybe that just doesn't suit you (it's definitely not a 'must do' as far as I am concerned).

[ioticus]

Wendigo said:
As arch says, supply is based on size: your lobsters eat as much as 5 size2 troopers, and your shamblers eat twice as much.

War lobsters are size 5 and shamblers (which I mainly used in the game) are size 3. So how do shamblers eat twice as much?

[Nagot Gick Fel]

splooger said:

War lobsters are size 5 and shamblers (which I mainly used in the game) are size 3. So how do shamblers eat twice as much?

Twice as much as a normal man, he meant. Supply consumption = max(1, size - 1). Except for troops that 'need not eat', of course. [Edit: and Celestial Servants, who eat more].

[Taqwus]

Supply consumption is

MIN(size-1, 1)

That's why. Size 2 humans and those ever-hungry Hobb^Hurgs eat 1 supply, but shamblers (size 3) eat 2, and war lobsters, if they're size 5, eat 4. All assuming the lack of the need-not-eat flag.

BTW, if you can Wish but you lack the nature mages to forge, I -think- you can wish for "food" and get some supply items in a hurry. Haven't cast it to find out how much it actually gives you, 'tho. Also, if you -do- have nature mages... look for a nature/earth mage who can get you Summer Swords, as they do stack with wineskins.

Regarding unrest, it might be good to drop taxes ~10% for every 5 points of unrest or so, if you've already dealt with the cause of unrest -- including restoring your own dominion over it, as enemy dominion causes unrest. Some provinces are better off with a permanently < 100% tax rate, namely provinces with unrest-generating sites.

If you need to get rid of non-amphibious units in a hurry, consider Gatewaying them into a province where they can't survive.

[Wendigo]

Yup, I meant twice as much as a normal trooper for shamblers (2 supply per shambler) and missremembered regarding lobsters thinking they were size6 when they are size5, so it's indeed 4
supply per lobster and not 5.

[Nagot Gick Fel]

Taqwus said:
Supply consumption is

MIN(size-1, 1)

MAX, not MIN. Or else, I'd play Jotunheim every time - or maybe the Hoburg mod: huge hoburg armies that don't consume anything, who can beat that?

[ioticus]

I think I see the source of my upkeep problem. I kept casting Sea King's Court and each troll costs 10 gold in upkeep!

[Nagot Gick Fel]

splooger said:
I think I see the source of my upkeep problem. I kept casting Sea King's Court and each troll costs 10 gold in upkeep!

Nope, only the Sea Kings cost that much, ordinary Sea Trolls cost 3 times less. That's not the source of your supply problems anyway, since these critters don't eat.

[ioticus]

Nope, only the Sea Kings cost that much, ordinary Sea Trolls cost 3 times less. That's not the source of your supply problems anyway, since these critters don't eat.

OK, but still after you cast it 10 times that's 600 gold in upkeep.