Space Monsters!!!

Phoenix-D · #1 July 9th, 2001, 04:55 AM

Hate to tell ya, but I think if you add ANY new racial traits- even if the empire doesn't use em- the empires need to be redone.

As for human players capturing- they won't be able to build- you can't analyze racial techs, remember- so it wouldn't be THAT bad. Or.. hrm. I wonder if you could make the ships zero cost, then specifiy the planets to make one spaceyard/queen ship and abandon?

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Trachmyr · #2 July 9th, 2001, 05:26 AM

Yep... just found that out, I got to make all new .emp files! great, and I thought I was almost done

Oh, well... I guess I might as well do it the "safer way" now.

BTW, I know that the tech couldn't be analyzied... I was just afraid of humans getting ahold of a built-up hive... And I wish I could get them to abandon a colony, but there's no way to do it that I know of...

TaeraRepublic · #3 July 9th, 2001, 10:44 AM

Then try and create a self-destruct building for a planet -> IF the planet gets captured, then all the facilities will self destruct

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Q · #4 July 9th, 2001, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by TaeraRepublic:
Then try and create a self-destruct building for a planet -> IF the planet gets captured, then all the facilities will self destruct

This would be a new ability and it is not possible for us to create new ones. Only MM can do this.

Suicide Junkie · #5 July 9th, 2001, 06:14 PM

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This would be a new ability and it is not possible for us to create new ones. Only MM can do this.

Self-destruct is not a new ability; putting it on a planet just hasn't been tried before.

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If I require all other empires to take a racial trait (0-point) of "Not a monster" (ala P&N), I can completely remove the monsters acess to normal stuff, thus I don't have to make their facilities "uber-facs"... but all empire files will have to be altered, both currently in se4/tdm and all future ones (not to mention requiring a larger .zip)

I would be happy to add a "monster mod" mode to my AI Patcher program, and you could use it to patch your AIs quickly. The players could download it too, and patch the new AIs as they come out.

The addition would be only 6 lines of code or so, plus helpfile, if I add it on to what I've got already.
What I need to know is:
1) The exact spelling (including upper/lower case) of the racial trait.
2) Any help comments you want to add.
Everything else is already done.

Check my sig for a link to the AIPatcher.

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[This message has been edited by suicide_junkie (edited 09 July 2001).]

Markavian · #6 July 9th, 2001, 06:33 PM

I'm liking the sound of this monster patch.
If you want TDM compatability yo do need to change the EMP files and General_AI for all of them. However, you don't need to include all the bitmaps.

Alot of effort on your part, but you'll save the end user alot of effort, and thats apreciated > makes you mod more sucessful

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Self destruct: Has anyone thoguht about destroying the whole planet?! I'm sure theres an option for that :-\

Or maybe you could program the AI to do that after capture.
> Monster AI aren't allowed to build planetary shield generators either in that case.

If you're not allowed to use the cehalopeia fleet just say 'You need to install this shipset first' go and download from here: http://universalshipyards.tripod.com
or from his brother's home site: http://se4kdy.cyberwars.com'

Then your will be titchy, about 200kb max, just for those AI updates and data files!

Trachmyr · #7 July 10th, 2001, 02:34 AM

Well good news! I got permission to use the shipset (and sound files!), so I'm now in the process of making 3 Versions:
1) Stock SE4
2) TDM
3) P&N

Suicide Junkie... your offer of the AI patcher is great! you'll save me a ton of work, changing all those AI_General files was a bit daunting...

Here's The Info:
All exisiting empires need to have: "Civilized Race" (without the quotes)
This will open racialtech area 10, for 0 points...
P.s., all tech areas with racialtech # set to 0 are changed to 10 for this mod.

If you could make 2 Versions, one for se4/tdm and 1 for P&N, I would be very thankful...