OT:Why Aliens dont come here

[Starhawk]

Your right about the fact that government and religion have no place together.

Uhm okay then how come every history show I've ever seen and book I've ever read said he was deep into the occult? And how come he Banned religion then? you can't be a catholic in a state where religion is Banned.

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.

[Fyron]

Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Yes but religion is not the cause of all the world's wars and crap.

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Imperator Fyron said:
Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

Blanket solutions annoy and alarm me. I apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

[Starhawk]

Imperator Fyron said:
Hitler did not ban religion... Pure revisionism. Read the link that Brianeyci posted.

http://www.creationtheory.org/Morality/Hitler.shtml

Nobody said that. It is one of the common causes, not the sole cause, or always a cause.

Ahem a problem I spotted right off is that the "school children" of 1930s germany couldn't have grown up to be the SS of WWII as most would have been younger then 18.
Oh and the fact that there were actually TWO branches of

"The term "Waffen SS" did not come into use until after the beginning of the war. Up to that time there were two branches of the SS composed of full-time, professional, well- trained soldiers: the so-called SS Verfuegungstruppe, translatable perhaps as "SS Emergency Troops"; and the SS Totenkopf Verbaende, the "Death Head Units." After the beginning of the war, the units of the SS Verfuegungstruppe were brought up to division strength, and new divisions were added to them. Moreover, parts of the SS Death Head Units were formed into a division, the SS Totenkopf Division. All these divisions then came to be known collectively as the "Waffen SS". "

Many of which were drafted from nations other then Germany, a great many of the others were prisoners or "idealists" who liked the handsom SS uniforms that made young girls swoon instead of the normal German army grunts.


As to Hitler and religion look here:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=Cache:v5Rb7oIFGxwJstitutionalistnc.tr ipod.com/hitler-leftist/id13.html+%27The+religion+of+the+Nazi+party"&hl=en
as well as some other interesting stuff.

Your link sounds like it is desperately trying to turn about the common belief that Hitler and the Nazi's were occultist in their views to make people beleive that it was Religion's fault so I don't much take that one guy's article over so many history books and shows I've watched and read.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Direct qoute from that site.

When confronted by the fact that Hitler's example hardly helps in their slander campaign against atheists,
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I am not trying to slander atheists, I'm trying to stop people from slandering religeons. Nice 'interpretation' of the motives of >EVERY< religeos person who argues against you [qoute]
some anti-atheists suddenly switch gears to Marxism and point out that Marxism is atheistic, in an obvious attempt to tie atheism to past and present human rights abuses in Russia and China. However, that is a logical fallacy: the fact that all Marxists are atheists does not mean that all atheists must therefore be Marxists (if you don't understand why that's a fallacy, go back to school). It's also an unnecessary slander against Marxists. [/qoute] Ok, I've read this three times and I don't have a clue what he's saying. Of course all atheists are not marxists. And I doubt everybody who says the're a marxist is an athiest, either. What's the guys point? [qoute]
While I find Marx's communist ideas to be very seriously flawed, I must note that he never would have approved of the violent regimes of Stalin or Mao. Atheism is merely the refusal to believe in a God for whom no scientific evidence exists. It does not necessarily lead to Stalinism, or decadence, or the breakdown of family values, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

[brianeyci]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

That's what I thought too until I read this (also from the guy that made that website, I'm sure he won't mind if I quote him),

Theological monotheistic religion, based on the recorded revelations of long-dead "prophets", is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind. It has a natural tendency toward intolerance (someone who believes in a different god must, by definition, by denying the truth of my monotheism, so there is a conflict that would not exist if I was polytheistic), and it resists progress in all its forms by making ancient writings the ultimate and immutable authority.

In essence, scriptural religions are plagued not only with human flaws, but the human flaws of primitive humans from thousands of years ago.

The message is from http://bbs2.stardestroyer.net/Archiv...r=asc&start=50 . If you want to debate him on that point, go there, I'm not him. But after reading his stuff I do agree with a lot of what he says, and his forum is an incredibly intelligent and eye-opening community.

<edit> It should be noted that his forum isn't a kiddie forum. What I mean by that is that if you are a moron (as I was and still consider myself am, although I'm trying my best to beef up), you'll be quickly exposed and mocked per the forum's policy. That's what I mean by eye-opening -- I needed an eye-opener or I would have been a moron my whole life. Swearing, and even porn links. But as he said (I'm paraphrasing here), better to sacrifice civility than promote stupidity. </edit>

Brian

[Fyron]

Ahem a problem I spotted right off is that the "school children" of 1930s germany couldn't have grown up to be the SS of WWII as most would have been younger then 18.

That is not a problem in any way. Many people that were school children of the 1930s were of proper age to become members of the SS during the war. That is an entire decade there... 17 year olds in school are certainly "school children."

As to Hitler and religion look here:
(link removed because UBB makes crappy scripts that completely butchered it)
as well as some other interesting stuff.

That site is too filled with political hogwash and personal attack to be of much academic merit...

Your link sounds like it is desperately trying to turn about the common belief that Hitler and the Nazi's were occultist in their views to make people beleive that it was Religion's fault so I don't much take that one guy's article over so many history books and shows I've watched and read.

No, it does not attempt to make it seem like it was "Religion's fault." It merely debunks the myth that Hitler was an atheist, and that he was not Christian (Catholic to be more precise).

What do you mean by "occultists," exactly? Do you mean, mixing in a bit of Norse mythology to help instill national pride? That is not "occultist" by any means. Unless, of course, you are a Christian Fundamentalist... but that is an entirely different can of worms...

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Direct qoute from that site.

I am not trying to slander atheists, I'm trying to stop people from slandering religeons. Nice 'interpretation' of the motives of >EVERY< religeos person who argues against you [/qoute]Nice way to take it out of context. He was writing about those slandering atheism, not about you trying to stop slander against religions.

Religeon is merely a system of belief in some sort of higher power, because of personal choice and sometimes personal evidence, even if there is no demonstratable, scientific evidence. It does not necessarily lead to totoleranism, or mass-murder, or the breakdown of rationality, or any of these other ridiculous charges that are routinely levied at it.

I think you misconstrue postings about the atrocities committed in the name of religions, ordained directly by them (Christianity is one of the worst offenders, primarily Catholicism), as some sort of statement that religion is only about such things...