OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.

Lucanos · #1 July 19th, 2001, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Gee, thanks, I'll remember that the next time I send a letter to my Congressman about aid to other countries. You know, like the debts accumulated during WW2/1 that I think ONE nation payed back? The Marshal plan? (I'd quote more recent, but I don't have specifics offhand) The various relief organizations too, though not all of those are government funded.

Yeah, right - US foreign aid is something special? While you give away some money to the third world you also collect interest from the same - an amount that is more than three times higher than the so called "aid" you are giving. That is barbaric indeed.

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

Guess you'll have to get off the internet too then, seeing how it was designed mostly by US scientists..

While internet (along with most of the computerparts inside my computer today) has been invented in the US most of my computer nerd friends agree that the development of computers would have come much farther if Bill Gates had nothing to do with it.

Bill gates' methodology (take what you can and dont give a **** about anyone else) is a barbaric one - and also shows us what kind of thinking occurs in the US.

btw, invention and scientific research has nothing to with if a country is cultivated or barbaric.

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

Oh, and please explain to me why, if the US is a barbaric nation, immigrents from various countries attempt to enter all the time?

Because of the money. They don't immigrate because of the culture (you think?).

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:

Explain something, please. This actually applies to both sides here, but-what negative aspects are you talking about, and why would you have a better perspective than US citizens? Where are you getting your information? You've already admitted the local news sources are propaganda right along with US news, so it isn't that, is it?

I think europeans have way more insight in the US than the other way around (thanks to TV and Hollywood).

Take ricki lake for example - what kind of twisted moral is that?

The negative aspects are mostly:

-the US is too centralized
-People starve
-People get executed
-****ed up morality
-The US citizens are religious fanatics
-The US are a threat to the environment (like when they said no to stop producing mines, or when they said no to kyoto/kioto - or however it's spelled)
-US foreign aid is not enough (compared to swedish foreign law)

I could go on...

Mephisto · #2 July 20th, 2001, 01:46 AM

Ah, flames are getting higher.

Nitram Draw · #3 July 20th, 2001, 01:52 AM

Luc,
You really should learn more about our country before you bash it.

Foriegn aid is free, no strings attached. I've worked on ships that delivered 1000's of tons of free food to many nations.

Immigrents definately come for the money and because we let them in. I don't know Swedens policies but I don't think many people immigrate there. I wouldn't try to guess the reasons.

Most Europeans think they are more cultured than Americans. Must be because they get so much of their views of what America is like from TV. Try visiting first. I've been to a lot of European nations and haven't found one that I would live in instead of America, no I haven't visited Sweden.

Why you would think we are centralized is beyond me. We are about as centralized as Europe. Most European nations are about the size of an average US state, with more people living in them. We have 50 separate State governments that work together to form a nation. That, and the physical size of the country, is something most Europeans hve a hard time grasping. We don't work like European countries.

People do not starve here, unlewss it is voluntary. We have our share of poor. I'm glad your country has eliminated that.

We don't want to be like Sweden any more than Sweden want to be like us. That's the way it should be.

One more thing. If you think Rikki Lake represents America something is wrong with your views, get out more. The only thing she represents if the freedom we allow for any type of comedy show, no matter how bad, to be broadcast.

dogscoff · #4 July 20th, 2001, 01:58 AM

I'm starting to enjoy this. I hope Shrapnel don't shut it down=-)

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Kimball · #5 July 19th, 2001, 02:23 PM

Lucanos

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Originally posted by Lucanos:

-The US are a threat to the environment (like when they said no to stop producing mines, or when they said no to kyoto/kioto - or however it's spelled)

One of the reasons Bush backed out of the Kyoto treaty is simple...CO2 production. The treaty stipulates that developed nations, such as the US, has to reduce their CO2 production, while third world countries DO NOT.

The US has roughly 7% of the world's population and manages to produce about 25% of the CO2 released into the atmosphere. To the uninformed that sounds incredible. However, that 7% of the world that produces 25% of the CO2, just happens to produce 25% of the world's Gross National Product. Funny how that works out, isn't it? So, if the US reduces CO2, it would, in a sense, be reducing the World's GNP. What effects do you think that would have on the economies of the world? How much are you willing to pay for a computer or a pair of Levi's?

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-US foreign aid is not enough (compared to swedish foreign law)
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The US does more than its fair share of helping other countries. I could spend hours ripping apart the above statment. If the US cut off the aid it gives to other countries, the impact would be felt by the entire planet in one way or another.

The more the US tries to help other countries, foreigners accuse us of "sticking our noses into other people business." Based on that alone, why should we help anyone, especially when you say we have our own starving people?

If the US is as unwilling to help as you say, Lescanos, you would be speaking German right now.

CW · #6 July 19th, 2001, 02:31 PM

Before this arguement gets out of hand, may I ask everyone to back off and calm down some before we continue please? This thread is really getting "hot".

Nitram Draw · #7 July 19th, 2001, 02:35 PM

No problem.
I don't mind having a heated discussion. If anyone has taken any of my Posts to be personel attacks I apologize, I didn't mean to do it.
I do love my country though so don't expect me not to respond ok.