OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.

AJC · #1 July 21st, 2001, 06:00 AM

I think it is a good thing that the IOC gave the olympics to china , it gives the people of china exposure to the world - only through exposure to the world will china become a country where ideas and beliefs can ALL be openly practiced.

One thing I find really damn funny about this is the different nationalities hammering the US.. .. When you think about it - this country is made up of Europeans, Africans, Chinese, Hispanic, Arabic, etc.... hmm something to think about - and a funny thing about this - alot of these people are also now US citizens who vote... and who keep their own cultures / religous beliefs when they move to this country and vote for who they believe in. Maybe the problems in the US are a reflection of the problems throughout the world.
Every country has starving people, every country has poor, every country experiences corruption. So why should the situation in this country be any different?
IF the US decided to go back to its isolationist ways of the 30s it wouldnt be long before some nasty country started throwing it weight around and everyone would come screaming for US help.
Most Us citizens will agree that some of our foreign policies are flawed - strange how the mistakes of past cultures repeats ... you only need to look at the Last 300 years of colonial rule...that finally ended with a results like vietnam, Israel and Palistine, India and pakistan, central africa, indonesia, korea etc....

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Puke · #2 July 21st, 2001, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by AJC:
.. When you think about it - this country is made up of Europeans, Africans, Chinese, Hispanic, Arabic, etc.... - alot of these people are also now US citizens who vote... and who keep their own cultures / religous beliefs when they move to this country and vote for who they believe in.

thats great and all that there are diverse cultural views. but what really hacks me off - and i will probably get flamed off the board for this - is that people tend to abuse their citizenships. I have generally kept my other Posts lighthearted, but i intend this one to be as serious as some of the other Posts that people have put on this thread.

forign nationals come here (US) from another country, leagly or not, and work hard to become a US citizen. THEN they take all the advantages the have gained from citizenship, (comparatively high income, standard of living, a political voice) and then procede to take whatever actions are in the best interest of their home country or family living abroad.

well, if someone went to all that trouble to become a US citizen, why the frick is some other place coming first in their mind? now, im not an anti-globalist, and i think that only by helping other countries will we live in a productive global economy. when our trade partners benefit, we benefit. its as simple as that. BUT, is it too much to ask for a little patriotism? Could not people put out a little more effort looking for a solution that is beneficial to the US and the world as a whole as well as their home country? do people have to bad-mouth and poo-poo the US while they leverage the advantages of citizenship to aid their families or homeland? if not patriotism, how about gratitude?

Sure, there are lots of people who come here and dont make it. either they fail to prosper, or they are relegated to 3rd class citizens. Last time I checked, we didn't go about ethnically clensing out our immigrants, so even if they end up working in the labor industry, i dont see how they can complain. if its worse than what they had, they can go back. if they cant go back and its not worth giving up, I dont see where they justify complaining about our way of life.

If someone in a forign country wants to say that the US sucks and their country is better, fine. i dont agree, but good for them. If some one goes out of their way to come here, make our system work for them, and then forks over to another country what should be reinvested here, and bad-mouths us at the same time.. ****, how would you like that to be happening in your country? I bet your laws and culture dont even allow for things like that to happen. (this rhetorical question is not directed to the person quoted above, or anyone inperticular)

The reason that the US is so great is that we have the opportunity for screwed up problems like that to occur, and while I hate that it happens, i would never change our government to disallow it.

Atrocities · #3 July 21st, 2001, 07:08 AM

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people tend to abuse their citizenships.

Could you explain this? You see, it makes no sense. Abusing their "citizenships" implies that they had to apply for it in the first place, and that being a citizen is a privilage, and not a birth right.

Just curious, thats all.

Atrocities · #4 July 21st, 2001, 07:10 AM

Never mind. I see what your saying now. Sorry about missing the point before.

Atrocities · #5 July 21st, 2001, 07:12 AM

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I think it is a good thing that the IOC gave the olympics to china , it gives the people of china exposure to the world - only through exposure to the world will china become a country where ideas and beliefs can ALL be openly practiced.

Ya, lets just hope that the Chines don't drive the tanks into the Olympic park and kill everyone their because they think they are revolting.

Quikngruvn · #6 July 22nd, 2001, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by AJC:
I think it is a good thing that the IOC gave the olympics to china , it gives the people of china exposure to the world...

And it will give the rest of the world a chance to see a part of China they may not see otherwise, mainly her people, her culture, and her history.

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Ya, lets just hope that the Chines don't drive the tanks into the Olympic park and kill everyone their because they think they are revolting.

Not with the TV cameras of the whole world watching. As has been mentioned before, the Chinese are not stupid.

Quikngruvn

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CaptSpoogy · #7 July 21st, 2001, 03:08 PM

Puke:

I agree with you that people abuse their citizenships.

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well, if someone went to all that trouble to become a US citizen, why the frick is some other place coming first in their mind?

This is because they simply come to the US to make MONEY as I mentioned earlier. They don't care about patriotism or freedom or voting. They want to make MONEY.

The US is a melting pot. When you immigrate to the US, they expect you to become American in almost every way. They don't really encourage multi-culturalism etc. So many of the foreigners will make lots of MONEY for some time and they move back home or to somewhere else where they can find people of their culture.

Personally, I know lots of people that I work with who spent time in the US making MONEY and after awhile, they moved to Canada to enjoy the cultural mosiac that exists here. In Canada, they're able to find more of their people's infrastructure, while it be temples, support Groups etc, so it's similiar to where they came from, but with all the benefits of a first world country.

People also come to Canada just to make MONEY as well, and when they've done so - they just move back to wherever they're from with all their savings. Taking, but not giving back to the country that gave them all their opportunities.

In happens in both places often (Canada and US), but I think most foreigners see US as the place to make the MOST MONEY - or so they tell me.

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