OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.

Atrocities · #1 July 21st, 2001, 07:12 AM

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I think it is a good thing that the IOC gave the olympics to china , it gives the people of china exposure to the world - only through exposure to the world will china become a country where ideas and beliefs can ALL be openly practiced.

Ya, lets just hope that the Chines don't drive the tanks into the Olympic park and kill everyone their because they think they are revolting.

Quikngruvn · #2 July 22nd, 2001, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by AJC:
I think it is a good thing that the IOC gave the olympics to china , it gives the people of china exposure to the world...

And it will give the rest of the world a chance to see a part of China they may not see otherwise, mainly her people, her culture, and her history.

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Ya, lets just hope that the Chines don't drive the tanks into the Olympic park and kill everyone their because they think they are revolting.

Not with the TV cameras of the whole world watching. As has been mentioned before, the Chinese are not stupid.

Quikngruvn

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CaptSpoogy · #3 July 21st, 2001, 03:08 PM

Puke:

I agree with you that people abuse their citizenships.

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well, if someone went to all that trouble to become a US citizen, why the frick is some other place coming first in their mind?

This is because they simply come to the US to make MONEY as I mentioned earlier. They don't care about patriotism or freedom or voting. They want to make MONEY.

The US is a melting pot. When you immigrate to the US, they expect you to become American in almost every way. They don't really encourage multi-culturalism etc. So many of the foreigners will make lots of MONEY for some time and they move back home or to somewhere else where they can find people of their culture.

Personally, I know lots of people that I work with who spent time in the US making MONEY and after awhile, they moved to Canada to enjoy the cultural mosiac that exists here. In Canada, they're able to find more of their people's infrastructure, while it be temples, support Groups etc, so it's similiar to where they came from, but with all the benefits of a first world country.

People also come to Canada just to make MONEY as well, and when they've done so - they just move back to wherever they're from with all their savings. Taking, but not giving back to the country that gave them all their opportunities.

In happens in both places often (Canada and US), but I think most foreigners see US as the place to make the MOST MONEY - or so they tell me.

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CaptSpoogy · #4 July 21st, 2001, 03:12 PM

I thought it fitting that I should have the 100th post. And, of course, this is just a shameless post to help increase my rank sometime in the future.

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Marty Ward · #5 July 21st, 2001, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:

This is because they simply come to the US to make MONEY as I mentioned earlier. They don't care about patriotism or freedom or voting. They want to make MONEY.
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capt,
When you find the country that you don't need money to live in would you tell me?

Puke · #6 July 21st, 2001, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:
after awhile, they moved to Canada to enjoy the cultural mosiac that exists here. In Canada, they're able to find more of their people's infrastructure, while it be temples, support Groups etc, so it's similiar to where they came from, but with all the benefits of a first world country.

maybe i should go spend some time in canada, but when I look around here (granted, here = coastal cities of california) I see plenty of cultural diversity. Asians are not all lumped together, different nationalities all have their own neighborhoods (sure, some people call them ghettos, but they are mainly middle class) in downtown San Francisco. San Jose supports a range of Middle-Eastern and Indian cultures, and I see temples all over the place. even in the suburban parts of the peninsula I see temples for different religions and different cultures in different neighborhoods. In LA.. well, anyone who is looking for cultural acceptance in LA should have their head examined. San Diego has much the same cultural diversity, but with Hispanics and Portugese instead of Easterners.

I dont think its that the support infrastructure is missing here, I think its an attidute difference. I suppose I would have to spend some time in Canada to really understand.

AJC · #7 July 21st, 2001, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by capt_spoogy:

The US is a melting pot. When you immigrate to the US, they expect you to become American in almost every way.
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Who ARE "They" ? Who is this mysterious evil entity called "they" that rules the USA? Every country that accepts immigrants expects compliance to their laws and some respect for the host countries culture. IN the US, in normal everyday life , no one tells you how to believe or what your culture should be. 250,000,000 people and alot of freedom WILL always add up to some issues. Most of those issues are overblown by the media. An average US citizen does not worry that the bus stop they are waiting at will be blown to bits, or a bomb set off at the local diner, or that they are going to be mugged walking in the park. I am an immigrant from the UK , 1966. Not once Have I ever been asked or told to change my beliefs or stop any customs my family may practice. If someone did it would violation of the Bill of rights.
Every country has dumb politicians who make very bad decisions. Look at Russia and Chechnya. China and Tibet, Israel and the occupied territories.

I think those that are on the I hate the USA kick should stop "calling the kettle black" so to speak.
The US meddles no more or less than other major world powers in world affairs, often the US is asked by the UN to intervene. Kosovo is a good example - most of Americans dont want to see our guys there, when Bush hinted that we may pull out most of us were happy to hear it but the EU screamed bloody murder. Its the politicians in other countries who are as much to blame for the worlds problems, be it war, pollution, starvation, crime. The US gets the visibility because it the big kid on the block. But dont worry all you USA haters, In a few more years china will be militarily the most powerful country. With that power will come alot of responsibility. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese handle their new found status. Tiawan will be a good test, lets just hope that if they succumb to the power - that the US sits back and lets it happen, let the rest of the world figure out what to do, wouldnt want those horrible nasty Americans interfering now...would we?

BTW - those of you who think life portrayed on the silver screen by hollywood is how life really is in the US is sadly dis-allusioned. If you think that what you watch on your countries news isnt tainted with propaganda...I am sorry to say its sad to see it worked, You really need to think and know your facts before passing judgement on others. The US is a typical western country with its good points and bad, but After seeing the US news propaganda about the rest of the worlds problems - I cant think of a place I would rather live.