OFF TOPIC - The IOC sucks.

[ZeroAdunn]

Speaking as an American (one who is born in america is of course an american, just like someone who is born on mars is a martian, so don't try and say I am not an american.) I find some of these comments rather insulting.

To adress one comment earlier, why shuold we care about humans rights and civil liberties in some country half way around the world, well, becuase they are PEOPLE. You should care about the world around you, and the people most of all because they are your kin, maybe not directly but we are all one people, and to only care about oneself is selfish.

And another thing, if we weren't going to care about those around us, why the hell should we care about the government. And not all americans drive SUV's and spray arasole cans into the air for fun. I for one ride a bike most of the time, and encourage those around me to do it as well. And we are taking steps (maybe small ones but you have to start somewehere) to decrease pollution, recycling is up, incinerators are steadily going the way of the dinosaur and mass transit is being pushed more and more.

As for the biggest problem in our country, it's not regulating american run industry in foriegn nations, this causes major explotation problems and causes many american industries to move out of the country.

As for our election system, it's fine, the problem is big buiseness and interest Groups are exploiting it with money. A situation easily fixed if it wasn't for the fact that it benefited the politicians, who are the ones who would fix it.

Which brings me to another point, there aren't supposed to be politicians in america, it was originially set up so that being a politician would be something you just did, not a job.

Another thing, about Lucanos' comment about america being a dictatorship, it is not. It is more like neocolonialism, only in this case the government is merely a puppet to itself and corporate america. And one more thing Lucanos, propaganda is propaganda, you can't take it worth ****, it is skewed, if you want the facts you must look deeper.

Maybe native american's were here first, maybe my ancestors did take their land, maybe it was wrong, here slit my rists, lord knows that it's only right that I should pay for the sins of my ancestors. I'm sure your ancestors never did anything wrong!

As for poverty, of course there is poverty in our country, there is poverty in every country.

Not that I am saying america is superior, no nation is superior. Perosnally do not believe in government, or organized religion for that mater (organized religion is just another attempt at government but claiming it is gods will.)

Oh yes and a comment earlier, something about this day and age countries should moving towards democracy? What the hell? Whoever said democracy is the ultimate form of government? In reality communism is, that is true communism, where there is no real government and everyone gives of themselves to benefit their neighbor. And don't give me any crap abou thats not communism, cause that is communism as it was originally intended, countries today that claim to be communist are generally more facist or socialist than true communist.

Please don't generalize your statements, I don't look down on anyone that I don't know, (of course upon meeting people a realise they are idiots and proceed to look down on them) And to those who believe we need government or organized religion, they are wrong, china opporated mostly without organized religion and government for a long time. It wouldn't have been a nice place to live, and then along came religion and look where china is now. Seriously, look it up.

It seems as a lot of people here have a 'holier than thou' attitude. No person is perfect, no government is perfect, but mostly no person is perfect..... dagnabbit.

- just another long rant from Zero.

[ZeroAdunn]

Sorry, double post, oh ya, one more thing:

Come on people now, smile on your brother everybody get together gotta love one another right now.

[This message has been edited by ZeroAdunn (edited 23 July 2001).]

[Phoenix-D]

FYI you can delete Posts. Same screen as the edit button.

Anyway- communism as a perfect government: perfect governments have to work. Communism..doesn't. Human nature, really.

Phoenix-D

[CW]

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Anyway- communism as a perfect government: perfect governments have to work. Communism..doesn't. Human nature, really.

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Quite true. Communism is just like the idealised calculations in physics and chemistry... great for theoretical studies but doesn't really work out in real life. I guess Marx forgot that humans are humans afterall.


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[parwez]

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
Every single attempt to do that so far has had the result of creating masses of rules (so you need a laywer and MORE money), limiting free expresion, and gennerally making the "interest Groups" with money more powerful.

Phoenix-D

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Actually all you need is a law that says senators can't serve more than one term in their life. That will stop it being a career option, force big businesses to spread there money futher.

or better yet treat it like jury service.
(possibility for insider dealing exists here)

[CaptSpoogy]

Dragonlord - They make it easy for you if you're American coming here. But if you're from the UK, it should be pretty easy as well...

[capnq]

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china opporated mostly without organized religion and government for a long time.

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China has had some form of centralized government since the Shang Dynasty in 1600 BC. No culture on Earth has ever advanced beyond clan-based tribalism without some form of government.

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Cap'n Q

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"