4x dead. PC games dying. Gave away PC. :(

[Instar]

Hmm, I see what you mean. But the PC is a tremendous market that developers ignore at their peril. I think that consoles just open up more of a market for developers. The PC isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Azselendor]

At the rate consoles are developing, I wouldn't be surprised if they soon had more in common with gaming PC's than thier predessors

[Instar]

Klvino [ORB] said:
At the rate consoles are developing, I wouldn't be surprised if they soon had more in common with gaming PC's than thier predessors

Well, the first XBox was pretty much a stripped down PC with custom parts. The processor was an Intel, and the graphics chip was a nVidia 35 or 40 series, I think. Where they got more performance was through a really fat bus and things like that, I think. Xenon (codename for XBox 2) will use an IBM/Mac processor and ATI graphics chip, both of which are still computer style parts. Microsoft is aiming for a convergence of digital technology, so it is no surprise.
The GameCube uses an ATI chip, IIRC. Despite this, the GC is teh suck

[DeadZone]

Oi, I like my GC

PCs are more customizable and easier to upgrade too
Consoles tend to be, here it is, be happy with it, if you want something better, you tend to have to buy a completely new one

PC Games have better support because you get patches, mods, better Online play, etc
Console Games tend to run better because there is only one type of machine its running on, because PCs are upgradable, devs push the specs because they know, sooner or later, something will come out that runs there game fine, you dont have this option with Consoles (which is why games run fine on all consoles, but some PCs will struggle to run some games)

At the end of the day, consoles are for people with little time or who are simple folk
PCs are for people with time or like the freedom (like me... on both accounts there lol)

[Hugh Manatee]

and then tere's the handheld market...

*hugs advance wars*

[Instar]

DeadZoneMDx said:

PC Games have better support because you get patches, mods, better Online play, etc

Exhibit A: XBox Live. The experience of XBox Live is tremendous. It patches games, distributes extra content, and is amazing Online play.

[DeadZone]

Ok, how about this one then

Start-up time

PCs = Start up the machine, then insert disk, play, eject disk, insert disk, play, etc

Consoles = Insert disk, start up the machine, play, shut down machine, eject disk, insert disk, start up machine, play, etc

One huge advantage PCs have over consoles

Just to note, I wont, in a million years, touch the XBox (Im one of them anti-microsoft people)

[Hugh Manatee]

DeadZoneMDx said:
Ok, how about this one then

Start-up time

PCs = Start up the machine, then insert disk, play, eject disk, insert disk, play, etc

Consoles = Insert disk, start up the machine, play, shut down machine, eject disk, insert disk, start up machine, play, etc

One huge advantage PCs have over consoles

Just to note, I wont, in a million years, touch the XBox (Im one of them anti-microsoft people)

Unles you are yalking about a Final Fantasy type game or console based Myst/Riven you included WAY to many steps in the Console startup time, and that seems like a trivial argument to me to be a "huge advantage". It goes more like Power up, open tray, insert disc, watch 3 second load screen and play, turn off when board turn back on and skip steps 2-4.

For PC it's like: Power-up PC(depending on machine this can take 30 seconds-almost 2 minutes), place CD in tray, wait for auto load, if auto load crashes, use the icon, or comand line to launch the game, game launches, but crashes immeadiately due to memory error, reboot and repeat steps to launch again, play for 20 minutes and crash because of 9X-XP compatibility or glitch caused by rushed programming with the logic " get it out the door we can fix it later wit teh patch", Download said patch(takes 5minutes-2 hours), instal patch, play game, experence severe joystick/gamepad glitches and realize there isaconflict in the game with your joystick drivers, update joystick drivers(20 minutes), play for another half hour till video card causes glitch, update video card drivers(5-20 minutes), play some moreand realize that your machine isn't powerful enough to run this game at full settings and 100-300 dollars will have to be spent and sensative components will have to be installed.....

[Instar]

DeadZoneMDx said:
Ok, how about this one then

Start-up time

PCs = Start up the machine, then insert disk, play, eject disk, insert disk, play, etc

Consoles = Insert disk, start up the machine, play, shut down machine, eject disk, insert disk, start up machine, play, etc

One huge advantage PCs have over consoles

Just to note, I wont, in a million years, touch the XBox (Im one of them anti-microsoft people)

Too bad, because you missed out on some truly tremendous games. Halo (1 and 2), Ninja Gaiden, etc...
In fact, for not having played Ninja Gaiden, I curse you as the unholy one. Ninja Gaiden is just that darn good.

[Combat Wombat]

Instar said:

Exhibit A: XBox Live. The experience of XBox Live is tremendous. It patches games, distributes extra content, and is amazing Online play.

Yes but Microsoft makes you pay for XBox Live where I play CS: Source and Space Empires IV for free and get updated content for free and there are mods for PC games and no mods for console games.